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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 11, 2007 23:35:17 GMT -5
Haven't been around much except in a few pitboss games, but I have some questions on the new expansion that perhaps some people that participated in the beta may be able to answer. 1) I get the impression that many people are not in favour of the new expansion. Does this mean that the ladder will not be supporting it? What are the plans for the league here? 2) Will the new game mean that old games pbem/pitboss games in progress will stop functioning if you install it? Will we have to have two installs (old version) and new expansion pack to play existing pitboss/pbem or will the new expansion be backwards compatible? 3) Does anyone know here that participated in this beta whether pitboss and pbem were tested extensively or at all? Will they function with the new expansion? 4) Given the preference for sp in civ4 expansions is realtime mp still viable? It seems that unblalanced civs and traits will make this game a nightmare of excluded civs and leaders. I can see the game setup discussions now. Are the ladder admins going to post any rules excluding certain MP Civ choices? 5) I'm assuming with the new expansion it will have its own lobby with gamespy acting as host. Has the relationship with gamespy improved so that it will be hosted by gamespy's system like the old civ3-conquests games?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 12, 2007 1:29:23 GMT -5
1. The BtS XP is mostly a SP XP, but there are still changes that we can take advantage off, as well the new units' leaders and civs potentially offer more strategies, whether the ladder completely moves to BtS is really up to the players, the Admin staff will be watching the ladder closing in the weeks following the release of BTS and will make decisions then.
2. BtS installs a copy of Warlords if you do not already have it, all pitboss/pbem/hotseat games will still work in Warlords, but saves are not compatible with BtS.
3. AFAIK, pbem/pitboss received some bug fixes but basically remain unchanged.
4. We are already in the planning process with the Admin team and the CCCAC to deal with the changes that BtS may bring, especially with how to handle the next CCC. Although we can plan now, much will have to wait until after the release to decide about rules for the CCC, or other BTS related issues.
5. Yes BTS has a new/separate lobby, but otherwise noting else has changed in regard to how the lobby will work. But the latest alpha of C4F does support the BtS lobby, and when we are close to release I'll ensure that the ladder has access to the latest version from eiffel.
CS
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Post by whiplash on Jul 12, 2007 6:26:40 GMT -5
I take this to mean that one can install the XP and still run WarLords for continuation of PitBoss games. No dual install necessary.
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Post by Magzi on Jul 12, 2007 8:24:00 GMT -5
So Warlords Pitboss games have to stay as warlords games? Can you backwards save if one player has BtS and others don't? I'd rather not have to buy BtS.
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Post by toratoratora on Jul 12, 2007 9:31:29 GMT -5
Dont Know but If like some people are saying BTS patches Warlords to a new version before Joe Public without BTS get the patch update then I would guess BTS people can no longer play with Un Patched Warlords Players but guess we Just have to wait and see
And W2U you are very wrong it took one month for the ladder to all go Warlords approximately I Guess the move over to BTS for true Nice Civvers here will take the same if not a smaller amount of time:)
When Revolutions is released next year then maybe the ladder May suffer but only time will tell!
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 12, 2007 11:36:14 GMT -5
I take this to mean that one can install the XP and still run WarLords for continuation of PitBoss games. No dual install necessary. Correct, and as Bantams has stated BtS will patch Warlords, but I expect that Firaxis will release the Warlords patch at the same time as BTS if not sooner. Otherwise we'll be faced with version problems between new and old Warlords. CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 12, 2007 11:38:23 GMT -5
So Warlords Pitboss games have to stay as warlords games? Can you backwards save if one player has BtS and others don't? I'd rather not have to buy BtS. Your BtS friends will have to use there Warlords game to continue your warlords pitboss/pbem games, but BTS saves will not work in Warlords and vice versa. So a Warlords only player can not take part in a BTS pbem/pitboss game. CS
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 12, 2007 23:18:39 GMT -5
1) In my opinion, while there is a lot of neat stuff in BTS that a normal expansion includes (new maps, new units, new buildings, new wonders, new civs, etc.), there is a lot of pretty lame stuff (poorly balanced, espionage changes, catapults nerfed to oblivion, basic game concept changes) that make the expansion pretty much unplayable. Here's to hoping a quick patch solves some of these issues for us ...
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Post by redphoenix on Jul 13, 2007 4:21:35 GMT -5
1) In my opinion, while there is a lot of neat stuff in BTS that a normal expansion includes (new maps, new units, new buildings, new wonders, new civs, etc.), there is a lot of pretty lame stuff (poorly balanced, espionage changes, catapults nerfed to oblivion, basic game concept changes) that make the expansion pretty much unplayable. Here's to hoping a quick patch solves some of these issues for us ... This is only your opinion, most like the changes.
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 14, 2007 0:56:46 GMT -5
This is only your opinion, most like the changes. Who is "most" ? Just about everyone I've talked to hates BTS!
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 14, 2007 5:05:52 GMT -5
This is only your opinion, most like the changes. Who is "most" ? Just about everyone I've talked to hates BTS! Well there should only be a couple dozen people at most that know enough to love or hate BTS....either that or we have alot of people violating there NDA's............ CS
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Post by grilla on Jul 18, 2007 17:17:19 GMT -5
I really wish people woulde play the game before they make a rash statement on what they think of the game. it's really irritating!
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