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Post by eyesofnight3 on May 31, 2007 18:16:38 GMT -5
These aren't even my ideas, these are tried and tested methods used in games that are much bigger and more successful, and often times, for large amounts of money.
First, it should be run in tournament bracket format. So each country is placed randomly on the tournament bracket. Each country plays another country once per week. This gives people 7 days to schedule matches and prevents forcing people to committ their time all at once. Who was the idiot that came up with these massive weekend events anyway? If you do it in this format, each country only needs 3-4 people total.
Each match will be a best of 7 and the settings are as follows. Each match must be at least a 3v3 unless otherwise stated. No mods, play the game the way it was meant to be played. In the event of not enough players, 2v2s may be played in place if both teams agree:
1. Team 1 home setting. 2. Team 2 home setting. 3. Classical start 3v3 4. 1v1 mirror ancient. If more games are needed: 5. Future start inland sea. 6. Medieval start Inland sea. 7. Another setting.
In other words, you can make the settings anything you want. You put the home settings in there so it allows teams to specialize in one area. Above all, you do it over a length of time and you use REAL settings that actually determine skill. Does the word competition even exist in this little world you guys here or are you all a bunch of god damn middle aged net nannies like CS who act like they're having a picnic for a bunch of little kids?
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Post by rokkitlauncher on May 31, 2007 18:55:43 GMT -5
you arnt even eligible for NC, and have spent the last hour insulting Levi and anyone else who you can see in the lobby, claiming civ 4 is a horribly run multiplayer community, and that you know everything about Nations Cup
16:57:00 EyesOfNight-tk : I'm just a drama queen.
well said
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Post by Levi on May 31, 2007 18:59:34 GMT -5
These aren't even my ideas, these are tried and tested methods used in games that are much bigger and more successful, and often times, for large amounts of money. First, it should be run in tournament bracket format. So each country is placed randomly on the tournament bracket. Each country plays another country once per week. This gives people 7 days to schedule matches and prevents forcing people to committ their time all at once. Who was the idiot that came up with these massive weekend events anyway? If you do it in this format, each country only needs 3-4 people total. Each match will be a best of 7 and the settings are as follows. Each match must be at least a 3v3 unless otherwise stated. No mods, play the game the way it was meant to be played. In the event of not enough players, 2v2s may be played in place if both teams agree: 1. Team 1 home setting. 2. Team 2 home setting. 3. Classical start 3v3 4. 1v1 mirror ancient. If more games are needed: 5. Future start inland sea. 6. Medieval start Inland sea. 7. Another setting. In other words, you can make the settings anything you want. You put the home settings in there so it allows teams to specialize in one area. Above all, you do it over a length of time and you use REAL settings that actually determine skill. Does the word competition even exist in this little world you guys here or are you all a bunch of god damn middle aged net nannies like CS who act like they're having a picnic for a bunch of little kids? There are virtually an infinate number of possible ways one can run a tournament. While your suggestion is certainly welcome, we have not chosen to run this tournament in the way you suggest. If you would like to, feel free to post your suggestions in the appropriate thread after this NC is concluded and it will be given all the attention it deserves.
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Post by deviousdevil on May 31, 2007 21:32:29 GMT -5
Whilst EON is being opportunitistic to stick the knife in, he is right that the format of the Nations Cup is awful.
14 events requires a large team and with the exception of France and the USA and to a lesser extent Germany it is not possible to effectively compete except as a coalition.
If teams were limited to 6-8 players and far less events, 6 over the 3 days. THEN I think it'd be a tournament that could be a success and far more countries could compete. Individual US States could even be represented I am sure, but as it is on its first outing it is bigger than the CCC.
Now this HAS been said as soon as we saw the format, but no changes were made.
Then we have the whole NATO thing, which was just the sort of bollocks we expect from certain people around here.
I think in its current format this Nations Cup is too long, too fat and requires big teams if you want to stand a chance and what point is there in a tournament where only the larger civ playing countries have a chance?
I think it should be as I suggested and run another time, where there are 6 events and teams of between 6-8 players. If you want a bigger tournament with nations, have Europe Versus America - The Civ4 Ryders Cup.
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Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 22:07:25 GMT -5
Whilst EON is being opportunitistic to stick the knife in, he is right that the format of the Nations Cup is awful. 14 events requires a large team and with the exception of France and the USA and to a lesser extent Germany it is not possible to effectively compete except as a coalition. If teams were limited to 6-8 players and far less events, 6 over the 3 days. THEN I think it'd be a tournament that could be a success and far more countries could compete. Individual US States could even be represented I am sure, but as it is on its first outing it is bigger than the CCC. Now this HAS been said as soon as we saw the format, but no changes were made. Then we have the whole NATO thing, which was just the sort of bollocks we expect from certain people around here. I think in its current format this Nations Cup is too long, too fat and requires big teams if you want to stand a chance and what point is there in a tournament where only the larger civ playing countries have a chance? I think it should be as I suggested and run another time, where there are 6 events and teams of between 6-8 players. If you want a bigger tournament with nations, have Europe Versus America - The Civ4 Ryders Cup. Obviously, anything that members of RaY participate in is controversial. Get over it. I swear, if any of us farts, we're blamed for global warming.
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Post by deviousdevil on Jun 2, 2007 5:01:41 GMT -5
Obviously, anything that members of RaY participate in is controversial. Get over it. I swear, if any of us farts, we're blamed for global warming. Only pre-game, once the game starts you guys are fine, it is simply that if people aren't careful you'll try to win the game/tournament before it even starts.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 3, 2007 1:06:54 GMT -5
Well to be honest with more than 800 players on C4P we didn't expect countries like Canada and Australia to have issues putting teams up, let alone the UK or Germany. C3P was a much smaller ladder than this and the nations cup was much easier to organize then. But we can't judge the success of a format until after we try one as is. I nor DTA though that the total number of players needed for saturday was excessive, but we will look at changing the format for the next one. To me this says we have not tapped into the real player base on this ladder for these tournaments, and that is the real challenge.
CS
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Post by IanDC on Jun 3, 2007 1:47:10 GMT -5
Well to be honest with more than 800 players on C4P we didn't expect countries like Canada and Australia to have issues putting teams up, let alone the UK or Germany. C3P was a much smaller ladder than this and the nations cup was much easier to organize then. CS Yep but the last Nations Cup at C3P was only 7 events with a total number of playing slots required of 14 over Friday & Saturday (6,8) so you could play with a much smaller team. With 14 events & 33* playing slots over 3 days (8,15*,10 - *more if you enter more than 1 player in the cton melee) you look at the schedule & think "well we just can't cover it". Looking at the threads players from as many as 20 countries looked at the possibilities, some gave it up, others started going for a grouping immediately & others when the scheduling problems became apparent. I haven't seen a poll thread for nationality lately but I'm guessing the USA still accounts for a large part of the 800 players & there are 50 countries in Europe now to spread players over. I think the format of this would make for a good intercontinental tourney but for the Nations Cup it needs to be more accessable.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 3, 2007 15:47:33 GMT -5
Well just like during the peak of C3P we well expected regions to form out of the small nations, that was never an issue. I think there were two major issues that hampered the first C4P NC, one that we didn't send out a newsletter and therefore failed to reach the large majority of ladder players that don't read the forums or read the main page announcements.
Second the teams themselves for the most part failed to organize well in time for the NC, with the exception of the 2 french teams that have a well defined fan site to help them organized.
I think both these issues that are now out in the open will be solved for the next NC, National teams are already making sure that they are more organized and making there own forums for a running organization. And we will make sure that more ladderites are aware of the NC for the next one.
CS
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Post by deviousdevil on Jun 3, 2007 15:58:59 GMT -5
Second the teams themselves for the most part failed to organize well in time for the NC, with the exception of the 2 french teams that have a well defined fan site to help them organized. Team Commonwealth was very well organised, just that ALOT of people were happy to sign up but then do nothing or relatively little given there were alot of games to cover. Penny, Myself, Billy_3_Fingers went above and beyond.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 3, 2007 17:15:53 GMT -5
Second the teams themselves for the most part failed to organize well in time for the NC, with the exception of the 2 french teams that have a well defined fan site to help them organized. Team Commonwealth was very well organised, just that ALOT of people were happy to sign up but then do nothing or relatively little given there were alot of games to cover. Penny, Myself, Billy_3_Fingers went above and beyond. I wasn't trying to point fingers and individual teams, just make a generally true statement. Yes people are always going to be problems, as they are in the CCC, but in comparison most clans are much more organized because of there command structure and practise, than most National teams were in the first CCC. CS
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