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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 26, 2005 20:43:18 GMT -5
I thought civ3 was a dead game, but suddenly I find that civ3 actually had a bigger following than civ2? Some of you might remember me from civ2. If you remember me, post here so I know who has come from civ2 to here. I see there is a whole group of top players now which leaves me feeling somewhat outdated. I can't wait to play, it's like civ2 MP all over again. Hopefully I'll be able to play soon.
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Post by sparta on Oct 26, 2005 21:30:41 GMT -5
Civ3? Dead? No way! We had a ladder of about 300 active peeps in it
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 26, 2005 22:05:34 GMT -5
Well when I tried it I couldn't even get the chat to work properly on PTW and Ming said it was a piece of nuts so I never botehred with it after that. Everyone else I played civ2 with said it sucked too.
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Post by sparta on Oct 26, 2005 22:47:59 GMT -5
Oh... yeah I admit... PTW lobby stunk all the way through, but Conquests was thriving.
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 26, 2005 23:20:20 GMT -5
Oh... yeah I admit... PTW lobby stunk all the way through, but Conquests was thriving. hehehe Well, I'll just go ahead and reclaim my top spot then as the greatest civ player ever.
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Post by Stormbringer on Oct 26, 2005 23:38:47 GMT -5
Ahhh yes,another Champion.Right up until someone double-moves a stack of(place horrifying killer unit here) beside yer freshly planted city.
Welcome.
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 27, 2005 0:18:11 GMT -5
Another champion? I created the way people play civilization 2 MP. Granted that was back in time, but you can still read my strategies on civfanatics and on apolyton. I was number 1 on the civ2 ladder for 3 years straight, long before civ3 was ever around.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 27, 2005 0:39:26 GMT -5
Another champion? I created the way people play civilization 2 MP. Granted that was back in time, but you can still read my strategies on civfanatics and on apolyton. I was number 1 on the civ2 ladder for 3 years straight, long before civ3 was ever around. Hello EoN....You would remember me as "DarkStorm", and welcome back. Not only did PTW eventually thrive(after 1.27 mind you) not to mention C3C, we have been actively playing MP for 2.5 years that you missed.This is Civ4players but Civ3players has been the home of MP for some time now. But feel free to buy CIV and try us on for size here. But I would refrain from saying how great you were....memorizing Civ2 hut patterns isn't a tactic that will work in CIV...I know I've been beta testing it for 1.5 years. So you've missed all this, serves ya right for listening to a SP player CS
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 27, 2005 10:54:32 GMT -5
I didn't stay number 1 for 3 years straight by "memorizing hut patterns." Especially since there aren't even patterns, there's only one and it's pointless to know it. That statement shows that you obviously weren't very good at civ2. Civ 3 was a total rookie game. I played it for a while as did other civ2 players and found it to be a total joke. Any game where the combat is completely random is not a game to establish skill in. Maybe you should go read the strategies I wrote on civ2 before you talk nuts. Oh, and being a beta tester for Civ4 doesn't mean nuts either. I could have very easily been a beta tester for civ4 but to this day I still don't have a good enough computer. I'm the one that found most of the bugs for civ2, bugs that to this day people still don't even know about. I'm going to enjoy destroying you and you will be my first target. Oh, and Ming isn't a SP player; just goes to show how little you know.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 27, 2005 11:21:11 GMT -5
Well when you have a computer to play CIV with EoN, come find me and we can have your test And as to Ming, he certainly is not a MP player in C3C or I'd have played him, the ladder has had upto 1000 players(a tad better than Civ2MGE's Civleague/Gameleague did) and I've know almost all of them. Take a look at Civ3players and it's forums EoN before you judge Civ3 as a "n00b game" all games use a rng just as Civ2MGE did, it's not me that is outa touch with the CivMP community, I've been here since day1 that PTW 1.04 came out....now what have you been doing since Civ2MGE died? Civ3player forumsCiv3players LadderCS Edit: Oh and how is Tampa doing? I hope you weren't badly hit by any of the storms.
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 27, 2005 11:36:07 GMT -5
Civ2 had a very good combat system, nothing like the piece of nuts that was civ3. Also, Ming was a beta tester for civ3 and all the civ3 expansions. It was such a bad game that he decided to not be a beta tester for civ4. As for what I've been doing, I've been busy being a top player in Age of Empires 2:TC. Oh, and to this day I still play civ2 MGE and I'm still creating new strategies for it. I didn't get anything off the hurricane. I may be out of touch with what Civ3 was, but Civ3 is nothing like civ4 and I'm very good at finding everything about a game out. I'll have no problem dissecting civ4.
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 27, 2005 11:45:46 GMT -5
Actually I'm glad I won't be the best right off the bat in Civ4. Those first couple of months of Civ2 where I actually lost games and I had to figure out how I lost and how to get better were the best time for civ2.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 27, 2005 12:53:37 GMT -5
Well PTW/C3C had it's problems especially with the added on MP support, but Firaxis has learned it's lessons. I'm not sure that C3C combat was worse than Civ2 or not(it's been ages since I played Civ2) but the UU's in Civ3 made for some more interesting strategies than we saw in Civ2. CIV, IMHO, is alot better than Civ3 in it's indepth strategy, but I'l let you decide for yourself. CIV has alot of eyecandy that most of us hardcore Civers don't really need but a 2005 game has to be comparable to AoE3 and it's like. Makes for good screenshots if nothing else. We are all n00bs again, I was in the CIV lobby last night and \I had a large amount of "deja vu" from the first month of PTW, except that CIV is working for the majority of people.
As to Ming not liking C3C well I wasn't on the Civ3 beta(was there one?) and if I was there would have been MP OOTB, I know there was a PTW beta and even the testers didn't want the game released as it was, but that is something that the publishers decided and we all suffered for a profit line, and I was on the C3C beta, but the big issue with C3C at that time was that Civ3's code was so old that it was hard to do anything with it, it was a house of cards. But alteast we tried our best and it set the stage for the CIV Playsession. CIV has been build with totally new code and MP OOTB so we are much better off now, IMHO, maybe Ming should have tried to make CIV what he thought the best Civ game should be rather than just sit back and critisize the people that were trying to make it work. If you come with problems coming with solutions is a much better way to get the Dev's attention.
CS
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 27, 2005 13:31:50 GMT -5
Actually he did come with plenty of solutions. The fact is MP wasn't released as part of the game because they wanted it as an expansion to make more money. Ming has been playing civ2MP since the day it came out and civ2Mp was also promised on the original civ2 back in 1996 but again, it came as an expansion. Finally though they f**ked it up so bad that they had no choice but to make MP OOTB and the fact that they lost tons of customers to other games (such as myself). When people who have played the game for almost 15 years stop buying then you have a real problem. Civ was the first comptuer game I ever played when I was 10 years old. Civ3 was a catastrophe plain and simple. Also the combat system in civ2 had things like fire power and tech bonuses. You could kill 500 phalanx iwth a tank and keep going because high tech units always beat low tech. Even Ironclads raped phalanx. The most balanced combat system out of all the civs.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 27, 2005 14:16:05 GMT -5
CIV uses a simple one strength value for all units, this value is dynamically changed depending on the units base value, it's promotions, terrain modifiers and its current health. I think it's a very balanced system. Can spears kill tanks in CIV? Sure if the tank is almost dead already, but all that does is simulate a spearman taking out the driver of a disabled tank, not unlikely at all in real life.
CS
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Post by TheGoddess on Oct 27, 2005 16:36:00 GMT -5
Would you 2 like a room or something? Now kiss and make up. All the testosterone and puffed chests is annoying.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 27, 2005 16:44:34 GMT -5
Would you 2 like a room or something? Now kiss and make up. All the testosterone and puffed chests is annoying. Me and EoN are just getting aquainted againt Goddess, and contrary to public opinion testosrone is not just limited to males CS
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Post by ImmortalLord on Oct 27, 2005 16:50:29 GMT -5
SHUT DOWN! sounds like the old cs still got some kicks up his sleeve hehehehe. good to know.
immo
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 27, 2005 17:14:43 GMT -5
Shut down? What's that supposed to mean?
As far as us getting reacquainted Canuk, I don't remember you. Did we play civ2 together?
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Post by TheGoddess on Oct 27, 2005 17:38:58 GMT -5
SHUT DOWN! ;D
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