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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 5, 2006 14:03:29 GMT -5
in role of developing? I m talking about ladder community - if frieds input had done something good for the game mp part might not be this steepbrother of sp as it is. Short of us pooling our money and buying the rights to Civ4, MP will always be the step-brother to SP, it's simple marketing, SP is a much larger market and always will be. Not withstanding that, MP managed to gain significant resources during development that would have never happened in the past, but there was only so much pressure we could bring to bear. Neither SP or MP will progress at the cost of the other, but more extra's will always go to SP first. CS
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Post by Bonez on Oct 5, 2006 14:45:10 GMT -5
You bring these threads/comments on yourself! I cant for the love of me understand why anyone would want to be an admin of a game he does not play. Or post so frequently on the forum, and administor it for that matter, if he doesnt play it! LOL... seems civ3 and civ4 has same problems... while our frequent poster is just that guy we once caught for cooking games on civ3 (Ironclad) urs is admin.... So ur admin abandoned you for another game? seems to be a trend in Civilization ladders eh?
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Post by MookieNJ on Oct 5, 2006 16:29:37 GMT -5
Nobody has to be play Civ4 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to be a good admin. There are other video games out there than Civ4 and there are other things in life than video games. You can't seriously blame Fried or any other admin on any other ladder for having other interests outside of one single video game or one single ladder.
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Post by Bantams on Oct 5, 2006 17:06:04 GMT -5
in role of developing? I m talking about ladder community - if frieds input had done something good for the game mp part might not be this steepbrother of sp as it is. Short of us pooling our money and buying the rights to Civ4, MP will always be the step-brother to SP, it's simple marketing, SP is a much larger market and always will be. Not withstanding that, MP managed to gain significant resources during development that would have never happened in the past, but there was only so much pressure we could bring to bear. Neither SP or MP will progress at the cost of the other, but more extra's will always go to SP first. CS well said but cant they port it to next gen consoles yet that way more MP game will be available
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Post by MMV on Oct 5, 2006 17:46:48 GMT -5
I play a game, Tommy. I'm not a slave to it. You should take some notes on that subject. If you have a problem with my administrator position, please feel free to discuss it with the Head Admin; I won't take it personally at all. Know another thing I like about the group of people I hang out with in EVE? They don't presume to tell me what I should do with my time, either. Perhaps their good manners will rub off, LOL!
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Post by tommynt on Oct 6, 2006 3:10:11 GMT -5
I think no1 did blame him for that, but i blamed him for being proud of representing nothing when he should represent ladder as a admin. Worse enough that he dont do it, but even worse he s proud on that. Represenintg ladder and possible increasing interest got absolutly nothing to do with playing a game a all day.
Do I walk around here and tell people to play bfme? A game which i prefer to civ4 atm.
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Post by Tony on Oct 6, 2006 6:57:00 GMT -5
Nobody has to be play Civ4 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to be a good admin. There are other video games out there than Civ4 and there are other things in life than video games. You can't seriously blame Fried or any other admin on any other ladder for having other interests outside of one single video game or one single ladder. Mookie no one is saying you have to play this game 24-7, infact far far far from it. Notice no one ever mentioned nealcain or warningu2's name and i have never even seen either of them in the lobby(i know wu2 not admin anymore but still). I dont know how much work they do behind the scene, but as long as they are fair guys willing to make fair decisions when the time is right that is fine by me! Its the over involvement in a game thats hes not interested in that annoys me more then anything. Always posting and generally telling people that they should be doing even though he plays once every 6 months! Why is the presance of a guy that plays so rarely always known? because he potrays himself as a god while the game is new, and incase you fogtten him he lets you know hes about, then he crys about why people are concerned with what he does. Who here can think of many other ladder players that have less then 250 reports? Not very many im guessing!
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Post by Bantams on Oct 6, 2006 12:12:29 GMT -5
some time ppl need to play with a differant name for patch testing purposes you ever considered that might be why you dont see him in lobby so much
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 6, 2006 13:51:47 GMT -5
Talking about different games is fine. Bring a few of us to other games. We are all friends here and thus will "group" together in other games as well. I think alot of GC plays WoW now. But they still promote civ3 and 4 to their new acquaintances.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 7, 2006 19:45:00 GMT -5
LOL.... Wow. Some folks care waaaaay too much. Part of the reason I don't play this game as aggressively as others is for the same reason I didn't play C3C as aggressively as others: I was playing it for a long time before it even came out. Games get old. Communities are what keep them going - and this community is, and has from the outset been, hostile, contentious, smacktalking, and angry. I don't know why the other admins still have me onboard; I don't presume to know their mind or dictate their actions. Probably because I'll be involved with the next CIV expansion, just as I was with the last, and as I was involved with other Firaxis projects in the middle. Firaxis and the admins both seem to think that I do a pretty good job of communicating for both groups, as well as performing the other functions they want me to do. No one, including me, does it perfectly, but apparently they're satisfied with my work. Is that all I worry about? You bet. There will always be players that hate a company's work, there will always be fanboys, and there will always be lots in the middle. I'd like to point out I didn't start this thread, and the only reason my other pasttimes came up is because someone else asked what happened to me. I was trying to be social and friendly, and maybe help mix two communities a bit. I didn't ask for any of this, and when you wonder why the CIV community hasn't taken off like C3C's did, look in the mirror. Be a little more welcoming, and a little less hateful. Anyone who supposedly does as little as I do, and posts are rarely as I do, isn't worth getting anywhere near that upset about. For what it's worth, I do promote CIV there. About half of the gang I play with DOES play Civ. Several are even on this ladder. I'm intensely proud of this community and this game - I brag on the skill of its players if not their attitudes often - but my life doesn't revolve around it.... and I'm genuinely sorry that yours does.
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Post by MMV on Oct 7, 2006 21:14:10 GMT -5
Communities are what keep them going - and this community is, and has from the outset been, hostile, contentious, smacktalking, and angry (SEE NOTE#1)I didn't ask for any of this, and when you wonder why the CIV community hasn't taken off like C3C's did, look in the mirror (SEE NOTE#2)Be a little more welcoming, and a little less hateful. Anyone who supposedly does as little as I do, and posts are rarely as I do, isn't worth getting anywhere near that upset about (SEE NOTE#3)For what it's worth, I do promote CIV there (SEE NOTE#4)I brag on the skill of its players if not their attitudes often - but my life doesn't revolve around it.... and I'm genuinely sorry that yours does (SEE NOTE#5) NOTE#1 - People follow those who lead by example NOTE#2 - Different time frame, different technologies, and different customer expectations NOTE#3 - Be our shining-star example for a change; expect what you offer; offer what you expect NOTE#4 - We all do - thanks NOTE#5 - We all brag on the player skills here too; especially their continued play and community commitment when presented with attitudes that are always negative and belittling Please stop feeling sorry for us - we're all grown adults who make a conscious decision to purchase and play the game. Stop the blame and stop treating us like K-12 school students. Don't blame the admins for keeping you here - it's all voluntary. As with the rest of us, leaving is one click away.
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Post by tommynt on Oct 7, 2006 22:19:42 GMT -5
Fried exactly your attitude you state in your last post is what no1 needs.
You come here once a month or so and tell every1 how dumb they are
from which experience do you take this? u formed a clan, did it break cause it s members had these attitudes? I m in another clan and we just here to have fun
who the heck u think u are? some small god? who allows u to judge others lifes? and to whom u talk?
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Post by MMV on Oct 7, 2006 23:21:05 GMT -5
for something that means so little to you, and apparently means something to firaxis, remove that and announce to them your thoughts about this "public venue" filled with their customers and perhaps they wouldn't feel such a happiness with you.
you've NEVER realized or come to the understanding that is WE WHO BUY THE GAME that pay you through the purchase of it - not firaxis.
treat them the same way you treat us and see what happens
belittle those that pay you as you have belittled us that have suffered your tantrums and see how they feel
use the click fried, use the click!
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Post by Necrominousss on Oct 8, 2006 1:13:53 GMT -5
I was just glad Freid was keeping his trap shut and not deleting/censuring/locking post constantly. Then some yahoo had to start this thread. blah. How bout we just ignore Freid and hope he ignores the forums and instead works on a game we might all like playing in the future.
But Freid does have a point the this ladder is slighty more hostile. I wonder why that is? And I'm not just talking about veterens being hard on noobs. The noobs seem just as hostile if not more so in this ladder. Maybe they just don't know they are noobs.
As far as discussing other games. All topics should be open for discussion imo. Right now, I'm researching other games to play, to mix up my game play a little. If anyone else has a game they prefer over CIV or just think is an enjoyable game, I would like to here about them. List the game and describe the gameplay would helpful to me to read.
And plz when giving the name of a title of another game, give the full name one time for someone who might be clueless. A general rule of grammar is to list the full name of a thing before you use initials, later, in it's place, so the reader can follow.
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Post by Bantams on Oct 8, 2006 3:36:06 GMT -5
Lord Of The Rings Battle For Middle Earth II good game but not as good as The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion and of Course Halo2 both on my XBOX360 but i always keeps comming back to CIV guess not many games in my collection are quite as Addictive as this one However perhaps its got something to due with the Ladder community you dont get this community in any of the Xbox Live games ive played so far just anoying Kids shouting alot with there Headsets I prefer the constant pinging to some little American Dudes Shouting anytime
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Post by WarningU2 on Oct 8, 2006 5:45:56 GMT -5
Ahhh it's nice to see nothing has changed.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 8, 2006 8:04:53 GMT -5
I just let it roll off, W2. Whenever you're willing to call it like it is, there will be people that hate you for it. Lucky for me, I don't have to justify myself to Tommy"Let's Cheat in the Demogame, everyone does it"NT and MMV "Let's pick apart every post as much as possible and focus only on what we want." ;D See you next month.
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Post by MMV on Oct 8, 2006 9:51:43 GMT -5
I just let it roll off, W2. Whenever you're willing to call it like it is, there will be people that hate you for it. Lucky for me, I don't have to justify myself to Tommy"Let's Cheat in the Demogame, everyone does it"NT and MMV "Let's pick apart every post as much as possible and focus only on what we want." ;D See you next month. yeah, next month (or later please) - I know you hate it when people treat you the same as you treat them (it means they are exactly like you - and you just can't stand that) go to profile - click; go to modify profile - click; go to bottom right hand side of page - delete account; click it - don't be afraid.
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Post by Tony on Oct 8, 2006 18:11:37 GMT -5
I just let it roll off, W2. Whenever you're willing to call it like it is, there will be people that hate you for it. Lucky for me, I don't have to justify myself to Tommy"Let's Cheat in the Demogame, everyone does it"NT and MMV "Let's pick apart every post as much as possible and focus only on what we want." ;D See you next month. He made a suggestion before he was aware of the rules, stop distoring the truth! IMO this thread has made you look really foolish. You have just posted random stuff about "dont be a salve to the game" LOL, WTF? Those that want to play the game everyday can do so, they dont need your permission or sympathy. Some might say i feel bad for a guy that writes 5 page long nonsense articles that could be covered in 20 lines? Other may say i feel sorry for a guy that gets his kicks from playing god on a forum, but its all down to who you ask! People care waaaaaay too much?? LOOOL
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 8, 2006 18:57:31 GMT -5
I was just glad Freid was keeping his trap shut and not deleting/censuring/locking post constantly. Then some yahoo had to start this thread. blah. How bout we just ignore Freid and hope he ignores the forums and instead works on a game we might all like playing in the future. But Freid does have a point the this ladder is slighty more hostile. I wonder why that is? And I'm not just talking about veterens being hard on noobs. The noobs seem just as hostile if not more so in this ladder. Maybe they just don't know they are noobs. As far as discussing other games. All topics should be open for discussion imo. Right now, I'm researching other games to play, to mix up my game play a little. If anyone else has a game they prefer over CIV or just think is an enjoyable game, I would like to here about them. List the game and describe the gameplay would helpful to me to read. And plz when giving the name of a title of another game, give the full name one time for someone who might be clueless. A general rule of grammar is to list the full name of a thing before you use initials, later, in it's place, so the reader can follow. I think we owe the rougher edges of the Civ4 crowd to the fact that Firaxis aimed Civ4 at not only the TBS players but at stealing some RTS players and I beleive they succeeded. We now have lots of people that tradionally played AoE, Settlers etc. This is a much younger brash crowd than the traditional crowd that Civ3 attracted, people from Civ2, CTP, SMAC and MOO2 etc. So we just have a larger challange for all us true Civers to educate these n00b TBSers/Ex-RTSers in how we expect them to act. CS
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