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Post by venomousturtle on Jan 27, 2008 0:51:17 GMT -5
I was referred to this site by a friend while we were discussing polotics. He posts on here once in a while.
I've read some of these threads and the reoccuring theme seems to be hating on America. Most of this comes from people of other countries which makes sense. I have to defend America.
First of all, we are a land of many different cultures. That's right, while you people from other countries are posting your hate speech on here, your poor people are fleeing to America to have an opportunity to make something of their lives. The people who I've noticed love America with the most passion are emmigrants who came here with nothing and provided for their families through the opportunities that America has presented them.
I came from a poor family and I'm now living comfortable because I live in America. Other countries just appease their poor people by taking money from the rich and giving them handouts. How pathetic is that? You call it compassion, I call it degrading.
If you give a man a fish....yeah, you know the rest. Anyway, America teaches you to fish. Capitalism is the best system in the world because it benefits those who work and contribute to society and punishes those (although less and less every year unfortunately) who decide to be lazy and do nothing.
Finally, so what if we elected a mentally slowed guy for president. It happens. That's the great thing about America. Even slows have the chance to succeed. In some countries they kill slowed kids.
America is the best country in the world. I have nothing bad to say about any country because I realize that they all have good people and bad people living in them. Some of them have all their bad people in charge, but they still have good people living in them. That's all I got.
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Post by venomousturtle on Jan 27, 2008 0:57:18 GMT -5
OH MY GOD! They edited dedrater {<---spell it backwards} and put slowed. What a bunch of politically correct bullcrap. That was my first post on here and thisi will be my last. It's obvious that the people who run this message board are a bunch of liberal appease everybody idiots. Well go kcuf yourself you bunch of gnikcuf sessakcaj.
(If there was an emotican that had a giant middle finger I'd insert it here.)
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Post by whiplash on Jan 27, 2008 1:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by venomousturtle on Jan 27, 2008 22:21:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I overreacted anyway. I'll stick around.
Glad you enjoyed what I had to say.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jan 28, 2008 0:16:35 GMT -5
I was referred to this site by a friend while we were discussing polotics. He posts on here once in a while. I've read some of these threads and the reoccuring theme seems to be hating on America. Most of this comes from people of other countries which makes sense. I have to defend America. First of all, we are a land of many different cultures. That's right, while you people from other countries are posting your hate speech on here, your poor people are fleeing to America to have an opportunity to make something of their lives. The people who I've noticed love America with the most passion are emmigrants who came here with nothing and provided for their families through the opportunities that America has presented them. I came from a poor family and I'm now living comfortable because I live in America. Other countries just appease their poor people by taking money from the rich and giving them handouts. How pathetic is that? You call it compassion, I call it degrading. If you give a man a fish....yeah, you know the rest. Anyway, America teaches you to fish. Capitalism is the best system in the world because it benefits those who work and contribute to society and punishes those (although less and less every year unfortunately) who decide to be lazy and do nothing. Finally, so what if we elected a mentally slowed guy for president. It happens. That's the great thing about America. Even slows have the chance to succeed. In some countries they kill slowed kids. America is the best country in the world. I have nothing bad to say about any country because I realize that they all have good people and bad people living in them. Some of them have all their bad people in charge, but they still have good people living in them. That's all I got. an exelent post. don't let the slowed sencor make u quit. We have some of the greatest political debate online in here. You should read the thread where I get convicted of being a "racist bigot" and my "penalty" was I had to use a spell checker. We had a nice cival debate about making words illegal. 500 years from now, some historian will read these threads and conclude that I kicked some @ss ;D
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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 28, 2008 0:57:53 GMT -5
Why do you assume someone poor can't get rich in other countries? The US is huge, much bigger than most countries like France and Germany, so yeah you have a better chance here. But you also stand a good chance in China too and they're full of liberal commies When times are good, we want less government handout... When times are bad we cry to the government for help. We have to stop living in the past. The US is not what it once was. We're borrowing from previous generations to get this giant ego. Did you know we don't have the highest standard of living nor the most highly educated populace? We have a lot to be proud of here in the US, but let's not let it get to our heads. We are envied that's why they "America-bash." Just smile and nod.
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Post by gitbliss on Jan 28, 2008 5:46:06 GMT -5
America is the best country in the world. I have nothing bad to say about any country because I realize that they all have good people and bad people living in them. Some of them have all their bad people in charge, but they still have good people living in them. That's all I got. This is not about hate, I don't hate America quite the opposite. I critisize because USA is a coutry that is directly affecting my country and my life with its actions and also because at the momment USA is our only hope for a better life on this planet. Some facts about the USA that i find disturbing: You have the biggest percentage of illiterate people in the Western wolrd by far. You have the biggest percentage of people in jails. You have the biggest percentage of citizens beeing denied their right to vote. You have the biggest income gap between rich and poor. You have the most armed roberies and murders / population. Is this the best country in the world? of course all this cannot erase the fact that you have some of the most brilliant people in the world there as well. Music, film, books, scientists, Universities.....some of the best in the world....but open your eyes and see things like they are...blind nationalism never helped anyone....constructive critisism and real self evaluation is the only way to divert a not so good course.
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Post by TheBadSeed on Jan 28, 2008 11:54:39 GMT -5
I've read some of these threads and the reoccuring theme seems to be hating on America. I don't see anywhere where anyone has been "hating on America", though TGS does like to use that as a recurrent theme. So much easier to question someone's patriotism than have real debate, but that's just the way his kind does battle. (Casts a fishing line.) I can't recall any post that could be construed as "hating on America". What I do see a lot of in these threads is criticism of foreign and domestic policies, and the arguments for and against them. This is the BEAUTY of America. We're allowed, and encouraged to criticize our leadership, and our policies. We're told that everyone in America has a voice, and we're encouraged to use it. This, more than any other quality, is what makes America great. The constant reminder that we're not perfect helps us get better all the time. We can have friendly debates on these boards, we can even get a little personal, and I still like the guys Im debating with, and value their input.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jan 29, 2008 11:54:32 GMT -5
lol, I don't hate America, but.... If the dam USA wasn't so evil, the world would be better? More like the commie politicians in whatever hole in the ground you're from, need to blame America for the problems your country has. This is because they made you promisis they couldn't keep, and need some kinda scape goat to blame so they can stay in power. Just like how Hitler blamed the Jews for germanys problems before WW2.
You mean propaganda. These aren't facts. Watch as I tear each one up.
This is funny. "The western world" lol. This is because the eastern world is still livin like its 1399. What countrys would you be comparing America to? France? Britin? Both of which have way less population. Way less urbanized population.
lol, cause America takes prisoners and runs prisons. 1/3 of the prisoners are illegal alians too. We don't got them fancy slave labor camps like the USSR or China. So what country is this compared to?
lol, soviot propaganda. Who in America gets denied the right to vote? Your so brainwashed you have no clue. In America, you need ID to by a pack of smokes, but all you need is a pulse and you can vote. Hell, if you call your congresman, they'll hook you up with a ride to the polling place.
lol, This is because we got so much money. When you got people making billions of dollers, kinda makes the guy at Joes Car shop look poor. But is he poor? Nope. compared to the other 5 billion humans on earth, he's in the top 25%
lol, this is because the hole in the ground countrys don't keep accurate track of how many people get murderd or robbed.
hell ya
You would think all the smart people on earth would go to the country they think is best.
You are "free" keep up your constructive critisism. But your points you make are not statisticaly accurate. This is because America is more advanced, more diverse, and has more freedom then all the hole in the ground countrys you compare the US to. So of course there are more murders. American lifes are more complex. An american in LA is statistcally more likely to murder someone then a some farmer in a field out in BFE. Its all about math.
I advise you keep debating on here. Keep bringing us the propaganda your political leaders feed you. I know you think you'de have free everything, but America wrecked it. BTW, what hole in the ground are you from anyways? You wanna diss on my country, I bet I can find all kinds of crap on yours.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jan 29, 2008 12:36:46 GMT -5
This is because liberals will not admit to hating America. They will diss everything and anything about America, then turn around and say, "Even though America is the great satan, and there killing the planet, I still love America"
I believe liberals have been giving the American populus nothing but reasons to question there loyalty. Who do you think is more likely to aid islamic terrorist, an american hating liberal or a patriotic consevitive?
look 1 post up. You'll see some guy spewing liberal "hate america" talking points, while claming to like America. Then you look 1 post down and you can see me blast them out of the water.
What you see are liberals spewing there hate for America while trying to appear neutral. Then "wing-nut radical fundimentalist" like myself, come and defend the US, drawing the liberals fire off America and onto myself. A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.
I agree here, nice point
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 29, 2008 12:57:08 GMT -5
Who is more likely to bomb a government office building killing women and children? A liberal or a right-wing nut job? Ask the people of Oklahoma City if you don't know the answer.
Both sides of the political aisle have their extremists as well as reasonable people who will listen to both sides and modify their views accordingly.
We are not red states and blue states, but the United States, to paraphrase Barrack Obama.
Best, SPM
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jan 29, 2008 13:18:06 GMT -5
Hi SPM nice to see you join the debate Well, you asked Well, if you do the math, 168 people died from a right-wing terrorist, while 3000+ have died from islamic terrorist. Both attacked goverment buildings. Both killed women and childeren. But if you do the math, you are far more likely to be killed by islams then right-wing nuts. With the amount of liberals tied in with islams, being greater then the amount of conservitives tied in with islams, this makes the odds of a liberal assisting islamic terrorist greater then a concervitive. And when you factor in that among the libs and cons tied into islam, the liberals are more simpethetic to there cause (equilly hating america) this gives even more reasons for Americans to question the loyaltys of the commen liberal.
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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 30, 2008 3:14:47 GMT -5
lol, cause America takes prisoners and runs prisons. 1/3 of the prisoners are illegal alians too. We don't got them fancy slave labor camps like the USSR or China. So what country is this compared to? lol, soviot propaganda. Who in America gets denied the right to vote? Your so brainwashed you have no clue. In America, you need ID to by a pack of smokes, but all you need is a pulse and you can vote. Hell, if you call your congresman, they'll hook you up with a ride to the polling place. Most countries don't prosecute for marijuana and a few recreational pills. Maybe you'll get a fine. Felons can't vote. If you get caught with the aforementioned marijuana and have a certain amount or they believe they can prove intent to distribute, they will pop you with a felony and not a misdemeanor. Bam there goes your voting privileges for life or until you make enough money to hire a lawyer, but then you can't get a decent job because you're a f.ucking felon. So I guess you're stuck without the right to vote because you had a little marijuana. We have the most prisoners because we have ridiculously strict laws.
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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 30, 2008 3:17:53 GMT -5
Hi SPM nice to see you join the debate Well, you asked Well, if you do the math, 168 people died from a right-wing terrorist, while 3000+ have died from islamic terrorist. Both attacked goverment buildings. Both killed women and childeren. But if you do the math, you are far more likely to be killed by islams then right-wing nuts. With the amount of liberals tied in with islams, being greater then the amount of conservitives tied in with islams, this makes the odds of a liberal assisting islamic terrorist greater then a concervitive. And when you factor in that among the libs and cons tied into islam, the liberals are more simpethetic to there cause (equilly hating america) this gives even more reasons for Americans to question the loyaltys of the commen liberal. Timothy McVeigh was American. Most of those muslims are not, and the few that are, weren't born American. And who says Islamic Fundamentalists are liberal? I think they fall into the Right-wing category with Christian Fundamentalists..... hence the term FUNDAMENTALIST. It was also a right wing nut job that shot JFK, Lincoln, and even MLK. Kind of makes me curious whether you or Doc are going to snap one day..... And if you do, remember this: "I love you man!" and all that hippy sh.it (in other words "don't hurt me please! i love trees")
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Post by gitbliss on Jan 30, 2008 10:06:07 GMT -5
I am from a hole in the ground called Greece and I am not communist by any means. And yes if various US leader in the past 40 years had a better vission for the future, life on earth would be better for all of us. I don't know what Hitler or the communists have to do with what I say, but if you want to talk about liers talk about your current government.
These are facts, you are just brainwashed, still looking for commies in holes!
The Western world includes all Europe and we are not lving in 1399. This fact was given by Michael Moore in his documentary.
Less population has nothing to do with percentage...I talk about percentage. DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE MEANS, oh sorry you must be included in the percentage I talk about.
Again I talk about Western countries, and you keep talking about commies!!! I hope I am not replying to a spam spider.
ZZhenon very correctly pointed out that in the states if you are caught with marihuanna or driving under alcohol or convicted of any minnor crime and spend 1 day in jail, you are denied the right to vote! This was used to an even greater extend by Republicans in the crutial Floridal ellections when they used AfroAmerican name lists that have been convicted in other states in order to deny them vote in Florida.
A google search on "Income gap in the USA" will bring up thousants of articles on this. Again see Michael Moore's documentaries and you will realize how many people in the USA are below poverty level.
Children walking in schools with automatic weapons and killing other students...where else have you heard this happening?
As I said I am from Greece. All the above point are in comparison to other Western countries (Europe, Canada, Australia).
As already said the only reason that I am doing this debating is that I trully beliveve that a very large percentage of the US population is unaware of such facts and trully believes (like you) that this is all communist propaganda!
You are free as you like to make comments on my country, I would even help you by bringing up things that suck with my country as well....I have no problem seeing and saying what is wrong with my country...I am no nationalist.
The big difference as I said is "who cares what Greece is doing?" no-one because our actions don't affect anyone. On the other hand you starting a war in our neibourhood or threatening to use nukes in our neibourhood is certainly affecting us.
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Post by gitbliss on Jan 30, 2008 10:13:24 GMT -5
Hi SPM nice to see you join the debate Well, you asked Well, if you do the math, 168 people died from a right-wing terrorist, while 3000+ have died from islamic terrorist. Both attacked goverment buildings. Both killed women and childeren. But if you do the math, you are far more likely to be killed by islams then right-wing nuts. With the amount of liberals tied in with islams, being greater then the amount of conservitives tied in with islams, this makes the odds of a liberal assisting islamic terrorist greater then a concervitive. And when you factor in that among the libs and cons tied into islam, the liberals are more simpethetic to there cause (equilly hating america) this gives even more reasons for Americans to question the loyaltys of the commen liberal. 3.000+ people in the WTC died from right wing extremists as well. You still think Al kaida dropped the planes in the towers? LOL there is a million hard evidence against this, yet America (logically) refuses to see the truth. IT WAS TIME TO FIND THE NEXT ENEMY.....COMMIES ARE GONE AND YOU WERE LEFT WITHOUT AN ENEMY!!!!
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Post by Levi on Jan 30, 2008 10:38:11 GMT -5
When you discuss how many people have been killed by the radical right, you should probably include all the people killed by those that think shooting up an abortion clinic is gods will.
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Post by whiplash on Jan 30, 2008 12:33:45 GMT -5
You have the biggest percentage of illiterate people in the Western wolrd by far.Gitbliss, The US literacy rate is higher than many European countries, including Greece. 21 United Kingdom 99.0 [6] 21 United States 99.0 [7] 35 Tonga 98.9 36 Azerbaijan 98.8 36 Turkmenistan 98.8 38 Albania 98.7 38 Kyrgyzstan 98.7 38 Samoa 98.7 41 Trinidad and Tobago 98.6 42 Italy 98.5 43 Romania 98.4 [1] 44 Bulgaria 98.2 45 Croatia 98.1 46 Austria 98.0 47 South Korea 97.9 48 Greece 97.8 48 Mongolia 97.8 50 Spain 97.7 You are long on opinion and short on facts. This fact was given by Michael Moore in his documentary.
So, this is one of your sources of "fact"? ZZhenon very correctly pointed out that in the states if you are caught with marihuanna or driving under alcohol or convicted of any minnor crime and spend 1 day in jail, you are denied the right to vote! This was used to an even greater extend by Republicans in the crutial Floridal ellections when they used AfroAmerican name lists that have been convicted in other states in order to deny them vote in Florida.
More nonsense! It is only FELONS who are denied voting rights. Felonies are major crimes! Marijuana posession, DUI are not. Minor crimes are misdemeaners and don't affect voting rights. Your story about the out-of-state felony lists used by Republicans is pure fantasy. In all states the people who run the elections and monitor the polls on voting day are people from both parties who watch one another. No group of Republicans could influence how an election is run by any state. Levi, you should give Gitbliss lefty debate lessons. He's really hurting your cause.
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Post by TheBadSeed on Jan 30, 2008 12:43:06 GMT -5
1 Finland 100.0[1] 1 Georgia 100.0[2] 1 Luxembourg 100.0[3] 1 Norway 100.0[4] 5 Cuba 99.8 5 Estonia 99.8 7 Barbados 99.7 7 Latvia 99.7 7 Poland 99.7 7 Slovenia 99.7 11 Belarus 99.6 11 Lithuania 99.6 11 Slovakia 99.6 14 Kazakhstan 99.5 14 Tajikistan 99.5 16 Armenia 99.4 16 Russia 99.4 16 Ukraine 99.4 19 Hungary 99.3 20 Uzbekistan 99.3 21 Australia 99.0 [5] 21 Belgium 99.0 21 Canada 99.0 21 Czech Republic 99.0 21 Denmark 99.0 21 France 99.0 21 Germany 99.0 21 Iceland 99.0 21 Ireland 99.0 21 Japan 99.0 21 Netherlands 99.0 21 New Zealand 99.0 21 Sweden 99.0 21 Switzerland 99.0 21 United Kingdom 99.0 [6] 21 United States 99.0 [7] 35 Tonga 98.9 36 Azerbaijan 98.8 36 Turkmenistan 98.8
Heh, just thought I'd cut out the rest of who's above us, instead of just who's behind us. Doesnt make Gitbliss's statement correct, but it is interesting to see the countries above us in that list.
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Post by whiplash on Jan 30, 2008 13:12:25 GMT -5
In general, it looks like the Eastern European countries are doing better than the Western European countries.
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