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Post by thegreatsatan on Dec 22, 2007 20:48:19 GMT -5
Blame my keyboard for the double post. ok " DAM KEYBOARD !!!! " i got your back man
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Post by thegreatsatan on Dec 22, 2007 21:06:15 GMT -5
TGS Said:
the laws the islams fallow they call gods laws. They call our constitution mans law.
America is not ruled by some religous laws written in 700 AD or whatever. Islam teaches there own law
It is true. Canada uses America as a backup. It would be a waist of a nuke to nuke you.... yep all good here
You disagree? If you where at war with westen civilization, and you only had 1 nuke, and you nuked Canada, wouldn't that be waisting it sense there are so many more important places to hit?
Nope. I don't care about a patch of sand called Iran thats some 3000 miles away. Atleast not until they started threating to blow me up. They'll say anything that they think will hurt Bush. Bush after all is the enemy of the left. Not the people that would cut the heads off the left wingers if they came to power.
They? I'm refering to liberals in goverement. The mini dictators. The same crowd that wants to dictate to everyone what cars are ok to drive.
lets see.... political guys out to get Bush.... yep Bush enemy of the left... yep, all Islams hate liberal lifestyles and liberals would be fist to go..... yup all checks out
I rather have a 2 party system then a crap hole communist dictatorship. And yup, the liberal lifestyle is why the Islams hate America and they would be the first "change" the islams would make to America
I just took you on point to point. I know you are more scared of America then you are of America's enemys. Its part of the hate America/capitalism brainwashing movement. America's enemy's would wrap up your women, kill your gays, and rule you like dictator.
If I'm the biggest thing you got to fear then life must be pretty good. I don't want to dictate to you what car to drive, what religous laws you must fallow, or what words you can say. I really couldn't care less what you do. I say, live and let live.
This your slogan? I ask for the 2nd time, what change marr? Tell us what change we need? We need your guidenss oh wize marr. What changes can we make to suit you?
BS marr. What needs to change. Just say it.
I don't care about islamic countrys. If they wanna live in 700 AD, thats there choice. But they do not have the right to force there way of life on me, or blow me up.
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Post by capitalistpig on Dec 22, 2007 22:37:52 GMT -5
TGS Said: the laws the islams fallow they call gods laws. They call our constitution mans law."In God We Trust" ?? It is true. Canada uses America as a backup. It would be a waist of a nuke to nuke you.... yep all good hereCanada is a waste of a nuke. Nice touch man;) Nope. I don't care about a patch of sand called Iran thats some 3000 miles away. Atleast not until they started threating to blow me up.
They'll say anything that they think will hurt Bush. Bush after all is the enemy of the left. Not the people that would cut the heads off the left wingers if they came to power.Who is they? Who is the left? Who is the people? See a disturbing generalisation here? lets see.... political guys out to get Bush.... yep Bush enemy of the left... yep, all Islams hate liberal lifestyles and liberals would be fist to go..... yup all checks outThis is the epitome of the two party failure. Read this and reflect. I just took you on point to point. I know you are more scared of America then you are of America's enemys. Its part of the hate America/capitalism brainwashing movement. America's enemy's would wrap up your women, kill your gays, and rule you like dictator.You TGS, (America) Scare me. If you can speak on behalf of your nation and if your thoughts are the current rationalities of its times, then yes, America scares the fooking shlt out of me. If its just you and the general population isn't anything like you, then I am cool. This your slogan? I ask for the 2nd time, what change marr? Tell us what change we need? We need your guidenss oh wize marr. What changes can we make to suit you?I am Canadian TGS. I can't answer that:) If I were American I bet my answer tho would be Preemptive strikes against any country that supports an Islamic Population! Saudia Arabia included! What a bunch of crap Marr. You clearly see yourself as the paragon of wisdom. (laughs) Your typically liberal condescension would be infuriating if it wasn't so amusing. Your posts are full of the same kind of foolishness that tolerated the rise of Hitler. You and Neville Chaimberlain would have been great pals, just talking back and forth about how if only everybody could have the wisdom and forsight to see that war is never the answer, and how no cost is to high for peace. You guys could travel the world together with Jimmuh Carter fighting for the rights of totalitarian dictators all over the the world to prepare to conquer their neighbors without interference. Winston Churchill said to Neville Chaimberlain after the allies gave into Hitler's demands at the Munich conference, "Britain and France had to choose between dishonour, and war. They chose dishonour, and they will have war." He was saying that appeasement does not work. When you have a bad guy in control of a nation, than conflict is inevitable, you have only the option to choose the terms upon which the battle will be fought. It is hard to be learned in history and be a liberal, because throughout history there is example after example of the failure of everything liberals hold dear. Socialism eventually fails, while causing economic ruin. Appeasement fails, because retreat in the face of aggression only encourages aggression. Neville Chaimberlain is a famous fool, the difference between him and you is your lack of fame.
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Post by marr on Dec 22, 2007 23:19:27 GMT -5
Translation:
Liberal Platitudes
Kinda sums it up alot easier Capitolist pig, Don't get me wrong, enjoyed the analogies:)
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Post by DrShot on Dec 23, 2007 1:02:38 GMT -5
Boot Marr
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Post by DrShot on Dec 23, 2007 1:06:19 GMT -5
Early in the 20th century much of Europe fell victim to the perils of living with the blinders on(twice for some nations), or austrich syndrome. Simply to ignore a problem will not aleviate the situate msot always. 'Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.' Ronald Reagan And they fear it greatly...
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Post by DrShot on Dec 23, 2007 1:07:28 GMT -5
No, I cannot get enough or Reagan. People don't start wars, governments do. Ronald Reagan 40th president of US (1911 - 2004)
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Post by Bantams on Dec 23, 2007 5:30:56 GMT -5
Who the Hell is NIC? p.s. sorry spamcop
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Post by Lestat on Dec 23, 2007 9:20:54 GMT -5
Who the Hell is NIC? p.s. sorry spamcop Np, afer i saw 7 in rows hard core spams from DrSpam your post is balsam for mine eyes
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Post by whiplash on Dec 23, 2007 10:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by thegreatsatan on Dec 23, 2007 12:26:26 GMT -5
Come on Mr.Whip man... can't you see that the Islams are just defending themselfs from Bush man... Bush wants to steel thier oil for haliberton, blackwater, and no-bid contracts man..... The real problem facing earth is global warming man... Not peace loving islams with WMDs man..... (leme hit that bubblebubblebubble ahhhhhh) Its all about the complex industrial military man.... its CrAzY.....
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Post by whiplash on Dec 23, 2007 23:02:19 GMT -5
Come on Mr.Whip man... can't you see that the Islams are just defending themselfs from Bush man... Bush wants to steel thier oil for haliberton, blackwater, and no-bid contracts man..... The real problem facing earth is global warming man... Not peace loving islams with WMDs man..... (leme hit that bubblebubblebubble ahhhhhh) Its all about the complex industrial military man.... its CrAzY..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by whiplash on Dec 23, 2007 23:06:32 GMT -5
Some of you who watched that may think he's just a harmless goofball with an AK-47 propped up against the wall behind him.
They probably thought the same of Hitler in 1933.
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Post by marr on Jan 5, 2008 11:41:32 GMT -5
Uzbekistan Government type: republic; authoritarian presidential rule, with little power outside the executive branch Independence: 1 September 1991 (from Soviet Union) Legal system: based on civil law system; has not accepted compulsory ICJ jurisdiction Suffrage: 18 years of age; universal Judicial branch: Supreme Court (judges are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Supreme Assembly) International organization participation: AsDB, CIS, CSTO, EAEC, EAPC, EBRD, ECO, FAO, GCTU, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICCt (signatory), ICRM, IDA, IDB, IFC, IFRCS, ILO, IMF, Interpol, IOC, IPU, ISO, ITSO, ITU, MIGA, NAM, OIC, OPCW, OSCE, PFP, SCO, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNIDO, UNWTO, UPU, WCO, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WTO (observer) Television broadcast stations: 8 (includes 1 cable rebroadcaster in Tashkent; approximately 20 stations in regional capitals) (2006) Internet country code: .uz Internet hosts: 11,832 (2007) Internet users: 1.7 million (2006) Info as sourced from www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uz.htmlOne Jihad leader in Russia, from Uzbekistan hardly constitutes a global crisis as his dogma doesn't reflect his countrys foriegn policys. This makes him a radical. Best way to fight terror, is to learn about the regions a radical tries to influence.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jan 7, 2008 13:55:26 GMT -5
Uzbekistan Government type: republic; authoritarian presidential rule, with little power outside the executive branch Independence: 1 September 1991 (from Soviet Union) Legal system: based on civil law system; has not accepted compulsory ICJ jurisdiction Suffrage: 18 years of age; universal Judicial branch: Supreme Court (judges are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Supreme Assembly) International organization participation: AsDB, CIS, CSTO, EAEC, EAPC, EBRD, ECO, FAO, GCTU, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICCt (signatory), ICRM, IDA, IDB, IFC, IFRCS, ILO, IMF, Interpol, IOC, IPU, ISO, ITSO, ITU, MIGA, NAM, OIC, OPCW, OSCE, PFP, SCO, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNIDO, UNWTO, UPU, WCO, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WTO (observer) Television broadcast stations: 8 (includes 1 cable rebroadcaster in Tashkent; approximately 20 stations in regional capitals) (2006) Internet country code: .uz Internet hosts: 11,832 (2007) Internet users: 1.7 million (2006) Info as sourced from www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uz.htmlOne Jihad leader in Russia, from Uzbekistan hardly constitutes a global crisis as his dogma doesn't reflect his countrys foriegn policys. This makes him a radical. Best way to fight terror, is to learn about the regions a radical tries to influence. He is just 1 radical, funimentalist, islam amongs thousands, maybe even millions. They are bent on destruction of the west (where I live). They want to blow me up and people like me. They want to rule the earth under islamic law. They want to blow Israel up. They say this all the time. Just like the commies wanted world wide commie-ism, the islams want world wide islamism. They will not be defeated by kind words and education. They must be defeated on the battle field. I like Ron Pauls idea about having secret soldiers going around assinating these guys.
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Post by marr on Jan 7, 2008 18:58:51 GMT -5
In this clip, Muhammad Taher Al-Farouq says: "As long as there are infidels and enemies of God in His kingdom, this movement will continue its Jihad. Today, the nation of Muhammad has everything but an Islamic caliphate. We have clerics, mujahideen, and fedayeen, but not a caliphate. One of the most important goals of the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan is to establish an Islamic caliphate at any price." Nation = Uzbekistan Caliphate = ideal Islamic form of government representing the political unity and leadership of the Muslim world Caliphate: A caliphate (from the Arabic خلافة or khilāfah), is widely considered as the ideal Islamic form of government representing the political unity and leadership of the Muslim world. As (Caliph), the political leader of the community (Ummah) has a position based on the notion of a successor (the Quranic and initial meaning of "caliphate") to Prophet Muhammad's political authority. According to Sunnis he is ideally a member of the Quraysh tribe elected by Muslims or their representatives;[1] and according to the Shia, an Imam descended in a line from the Ahl ul-Bayt. From the time of Muhammad until 1924, successive caliphates were held by various dynasties, including the Umayyads, Abbasids, and finally Ottomans. The caliphate is the only form of governance that has full approval in traditional Islamic theology, and "is the core political concept of Sunni Islam, by the consensus of the Muslim majority in the early centuries As sourced from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CaliphateClip Transcript (Of Whips clip he posted) if you don't want to watch it all: www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1636.htmI don't pretend to know what his intention in this clip is, but I can surmise he is sending out a calling card to others to gain standing, (Monetary, political awareness) of the uzbekistan following, (If there is one.) Is there anything to fear? No. Just another man trying to shore up some contacts.
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Post by marr on Jan 7, 2008 19:12:59 GMT -5
Current status Despite remaining operationally inactive since 2001, the IMU continues to be cited as a terrorist threat by governments within and without the region. In 2003 A. Elizabeth Jones, the U.S. assistant secretary of state for Europe and Eurasia, testified on the threat of terrorism in Central Asia before the U.S. House of Representatives' subcommittee on the Middle East and Central Asia, arguing that the greatest threats were the IMU, and Hizb ut-Tahrir. Jones said that despite the death of Namangani, the "IMU is still active in the region -- particularly in Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan -- and it represents a serious threat to the region and therefore to our interests."[4] In addition, the Government of Russia banned the movement under the name "Islamic Party of Turkestan" in 2006.[5] On 7 August 2006 Kyrgyz special forces killed Rafik Kamalov, an alleged leader of the movement, in the Kyrgyz border town of Kara-Suu.[6] Mahmadsaid Juraqulov, head of the anti-organized crime department in the Interior Ministry of Tajikistan, told reporters in Dushanbe on 16 October 2006 that the "[ Islamic Movement of Turkestan ] is the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan," and that Uzbek secret services manufactured the change in name. Juraqulov also said that the IMT is not a major security threat to Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan. "Everyone knows that it is in Uzbekistan that [the IMU] wants to create problems. For them, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are just regrouping bases they're trying to reach." The Tajik Government wants 23 suspected IMU members who Tajik authorities say attacked supporters of Tajik President Imomali Rakhmonov on 28 September 2006, wounding two people. Between July 2006 and September 2007, 31 persons accused of IMU membership have been arrested in the Sughd region in the north of Tajikistan. They are usually sentenced to 12 - 18 years of prison. However, while Yuldeshev has issued a number of pronouncements suggesting a widening of the IMU's focus, evidence does not support the notion that the IMU remains a credible threat in the region. Furthermore, events in early 2007 suggest that the IMU may no longer be able to count on refuge in Pakistan's tribal belt. In March local Pakistani and reportedly Arab militants turned against the IMU in the Wana conflict. Nevertheless, in a context of continued socieoeconomic deprivation and an absence of political pluralism, a resurgence of militant Islam in the region cannot be ruled out. As sourced from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Movement_of_UzbekistanArticle Says: "Mahmadsaid Juraqulov, head of the anti-organized crime department in the Interior Ministry of Tajikistan, told reporters in Dushanbe on 16 October 2006 that the "[ Islamic Movement of Turkestan ] is the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan," and that Uzbek secret services manufactured the change in name. Juraqulov also said that the IMT is not a major security threat to Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan. "Everyone knows that it is in Uzbekistan that [the IMU] wants to create problems. For them, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are just regrouping bases they're trying to reach." As I said in my previous post: Is there anything to fear? No. Just another man trying to shore up some contacts. Its referenced from Wikipedia, but some good reading there. Glad to see some other countrys actually taking an offence on these radicals.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jan 7, 2008 19:32:42 GMT -5
when he says...."As long as there are infidels and enemies of God in His kingdom, this movement will continue its Jihad." By "in His kingdom" he means earth. These people are a threat. Just ask them, they'll tell ya. If your an infidel, you're goin down.
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Post by marr on Jan 7, 2008 19:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by marr on Jan 7, 2008 20:01:19 GMT -5
The goal of the (IMU) *Islamist movement of Uzbekistan* Since the 90's, is to make an Islamist state of Uzbekistan. That obviously won't happen as Uzbekistan appears to torture, kill, rape and beat anyone who is a fundamentalist muslim.
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