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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 18, 2007 0:24:27 GMT -5
For the sake of the children satan, use quotes. Reread ur statement... according to satan, his definition should justify my free speech to say whatever, in whatever form and medium, to him, whether it be an emotional or intellectual response. In defense of my freedom of speech according to satan's definition... ur still an idiot satan. Much love, Draka people call me an idiot casue I'm dumb. I can't spell or use the quoted things right. Maybe one day a dumb guy like me will make a law to ban the word "idiot". Then I could call the PC cops on you and its off to the camps. And I can go on living without being called an idiot. The most offencive thing you can call a dumb person
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Post by archon on Nov 18, 2007 3:43:53 GMT -5
I'm not saying I agree with Satan or not - the line is much too thin and fuzzy for me to establish a limit (if there is one) on free speech - I'll leave that to the lawyers and judges.
My original post was to simply illustrate the consequences of unlimited free speech. Sure it's free speech, but it's disrespectful (as Satan has pointed out) and very childish - but it's still unlimited free speech.
Sticky subject. I suggest everyone use their brain before anyone talks...God gave you one, might as well and use it.
Btw, hi Dr. and MMV (lol at you latest post).
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Post by zzZhenon on Nov 18, 2007 10:39:10 GMT -5
Let me put this in a way a neo-con republican can understand:
You can call me whatever offensive term you want, but I shouldn't get arrested if I break your nose afterwards.
I think it's cowardice. If you say the word "ni.gge.r" on the streets of the ghetto as often as you use it on forums and chatting with friends, then sure you've earned the right to use it and I won't hold it against you. But until then users of words "nig.ge.r," "chink," "f*g**t," "kike," etc are just cowards.
And didnt your mother ever teach you "the golden rule." Treat others as you wish to be treated. It's not just PC, it's common courtesy.
Using your right of free speech for hate doesn't make you a patriot, it makes you a douche..... no better yet, it makes you a threat..... no wait how about "a word-terrorist." Yeah a word-terrorist! Stop dropping F-bombs and racial slurs on me you terrorist!
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Post by zzZhenon on Nov 18, 2007 10:46:32 GMT -5
oh yeah.... GO RON PAUL!! If he wins the republican nomination(yeah right), I won't have to vote for Billary Clinton.
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Post by DrShot on Nov 18, 2007 15:40:01 GMT -5
Looking ad Zhenov's new av I can't help but wonder if them trucks are the same that delivered his laptop with the fly by night connection he thrusts upon us. Yes folks, thats a working computer
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 18, 2007 22:06:41 GMT -5
Hi Z, nice to cya here.
Let me put this in a way a neo-con republican can understand:
(Are you callin me a dumb right-wing jew?)
You can call me whatever offensive term you want,
(because its a free country, at the moment)
but I shouldn't get arrested if I break your nose afterwards.
(If you do the crime, you do the time. BTW, you are more then welcome to try to break my "neo-con" nose. If I call u a nlgger/f*g in your Stalinist Utopia, you could just call the PC police and send me to the camps. But If you send me to the camps for saying that, you gotta send snoop dog and 50 cent there too. Otherwise, your just a hypocrite / racist. Like most libs)
I think it's cowardice. If you say the word "ni.gge.r" on the streets of the ghetto as often as you use it on forums and chatting with friends, then sure you've earned the right to use it and I won't hold it against you. But until then users of words "nig.ge.r," "chink," "f*g**t," "kike," etc are just cowards.
(I don't condone using racial slurs or slurs period for that matter. With freedom comes responsibility. I don't want to make saying "words" against the law. That is a dark crappy road that only a brainwashed, Stalinist, commie, liberal would take us down)
And didn't your mother ever teach you "the golden rule." Treat others as you wish to be treated. It's not just PC, it's common courtesy.
(The golden rule is "He who has the gold, makes the rules" I'm all for common courtesy. I don't want some commie lib to dictate to me what is and isn't PC.)
Using your right of free speech for hate doesn't make you a patriot, it makes you a douche.....
(now I'm a douche. And I guess you're dictating what qualifies as "hate" speech today? I wonder what will be considered "hate" speech tomorrow)
no better yet, it makes you a threat.....
(Yes, you need some new laws, and some SS police to enforce them. Gotta keep us safe from the bad words.)
no wait how about "a word-terrorist." Yeah a word-terrorist! Stop dropping F-bombs and racial slurs on me you terrorist!
(Z, what words do u think should be illegal? What punishment should come with it? How will you enforce your word bans?)
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Post by zzZhenon on Nov 18, 2007 22:38:04 GMT -5
I don't think any words should be illegal. & Hi TGS Here's my "liberal views": 1. Pro Life 2. Anti-Death Penalty 3. Pro-Universal Health Care 4. Anti-Social Security 5. Anti-Inheritance tax 6. Anti-NCLB 7. I want stricter gun laws, but I still want my right to bear arms. 8. I think the courts shouldn't have awarded the old lady that sued McDonalds for having hot coffee with no warning on the cup. She should have been banned from driving and slapped on the head for being a ret.ard. 9. And for that matter people over the age of 65 ought to take a driving test yearly. Or at least a senility test. 10. When it comes to children, I believe in survival of the fittest. If their parents don't care and the kids don't have sense, then it's nature thinning the herd when a ret.arde.d kid kills himself attempting a Jackass stunt, killing Kenny, or shooting people after listening to NWA or Ice T. Take responsibility for your actions. PS -- that was "cute" doc ;D
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Post by TheClash on Nov 19, 2007 6:14:14 GMT -5
Ron Paul was NOT found on the ladder
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Post by Levi on Nov 19, 2007 10:42:37 GMT -5
(Are you callin me a dumb right-wing jew?) Translation: I am bigoted against Jews. (If you do the crime, you do the time. BTW, you are more then welcome to try to break my "neo-con" nose. If I call u a nlgger/f*g in your Stalinist Utopia, you could just call the PC police and send me to the camps. But If you send me to the camps for saying that, you gotta send snoop dog and 50 cent there too. Otherwise, your just a hypocrite / racist. Like most libs) Translation: I think that, in a Stalinist Utopia, it is against the law to use racist or homosexual slurs. I think liberals are hypocrites and racists. (I don't condone using racial slurs or slurs period for that matter. With freedom comes responsibility. I don't want to make saying "words" against the law. That is a dark crappy road that only a brainwashed, Stalinist, commie, liberal would take us down) Translation: I don't think anyone should use ratial slurs or any other kind of slurs. Liberals are brainwashed communists. (The golden rule is "He who has the gold, makes the rules" I'm all for common courtesy. I don't want some commie lib to dictate to me what is and isn't PC.) Translation: The rules do not apply to me. Liberals are communists.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 19, 2007 11:22:16 GMT -5
(Are you callin me a dumb right-wing jew?) Translation: I am bigoted against Jews.
(I'm bigoted against all races. I hate everyone equally)
Yesterday at 10:06pm, thegreatsatan wrote: (If you do the crime, you do the time. BTW, you are more then welcome to try to break my "neo-con" nose. If I call u a nlgger/f*g in your Stalinist Utopia, you could just call the PC police and send me to the camps. But If you send me to the camps for saying that, you gotta send snoop dog and 50 cent there too. Otherwise, your just a hypocrite / racist. Like most libs)
Translation: I think that, in a Stalinist Utopia, it is against the law to use racist or homosexual slurs. I think liberals are hypocrites and racists.
(They are hypocrite, racist, if they pick and choose who goes to jail for saying "illegal" words and who doesn't)
Yesterday at 10:06pm, thegreatsatan wrote: (I don't condone using racial slurs or slurs period for that matter. With freedom comes responsibility. I don't want to make saying "words" against the law. That is a dark crappy road that only a brainwashed, Stalinist, commie, liberal would take us down) Translation: I don't think anyone should use ratial slurs or any other kind of slurs. Liberals are brainwashed communists.
(I don't condone slurs. But I am totally agaisnt making it illegal to say certin words. Only a brainswashed commie liberal would think banning words is a good idea)
Yesterday at 10:06pm, thegreatsatan wrote: (The golden rule is "He who has the gold, makes the rules" I'm all for common courtesy. I don't want some commie lib to dictate to me what is and isn't PC.) Translation: The rules do not apply to me. Liberals are communists.
(The rules apply to all. And sure, banning slurs don't sound like a bad idea. But it is a slippery slope that will end al free speach. Either, we have totally free speach, or we'll gradually looe this right altogether)
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Post by timeforplanb on Nov 21, 2007 20:41:40 GMT -5
typical liberal. answers an arguement with a personal attack. why am I an idiot? Where am I wrong? If I'm so dumb you should be able to point out where the things I say are wrong. Instead, ur hate filled mind just produces an emmotional responce. SMACK If you go around calling people n*ggers and f*gs like you claim, I don't think you can use the 'personal attack' defense. That would make you quite the hypocrite, wouldn't it?
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Post by timeforplanb on Nov 21, 2007 20:50:03 GMT -5
I like Ron Paul. It scares me that liberals are trying to ban free speach. They want to make it a law that u cant call a black guy a nlgger or a gay guy a f*g. I will gladdly use these words in the defence of free speach. I'll call u whatever the hell I want too. If you can get locked up for calling someone a f*g/nlgger, then we are in trouble. Better start building the internment camps.
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Post by DrShot on Nov 21, 2007 22:32:51 GMT -5
I like Ron Paul. It scares me that liberals are trying to ban free speach. They want to make it a law that u cant call a black guy a nlgger or a gay guy a f*g. I will gladdly use these words in the defence of free speach. I'll call u whatever the hell I want too. If you can get locked up for calling someone a f*g/nlgger, then we are in trouble. Better start building the internment camps. Does this mean you agree or disagree? Four posts... new name old person?
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Post by DrShot on Nov 21, 2007 22:44:33 GMT -5
typical liberal. answers an arguement with a personal attack. why am I an idiot? Where am I wrong? If I'm so dumb you should be able to point out where the things I say are wrong. Instead, ur hate filled mind just produces an emmotional responce. SMACK If you go around calling people n*ggers and f*gs like you claim, I don't think you can use the 'personal attack' defense. That would make you quite the hypocrite, wouldn't it? You might have been too short for this one. I believe the message he puts forth has gone over your head. TGS does not (say he) go/goes around calling people degoratory comments. He is making , what I feel to be, a very viable and strong point about censorship. To merely begin to limit free speech is the beginning of the end of free speech. He is saying he would say things in the form of protest, nothing more. Anyone that has actually spoken with, personally, as I have not, or met TGS might be able to draw a conclusion different from this. Going on what he has written, not what some would like to read into what he has written I do not understand how there is so much confusion...
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Post by timeforplanb on Nov 22, 2007 0:22:06 GMT -5
TGS is still saying it's ok for him to call people n*ggers and f*gs, but not ok for people to call him an idiot. I still think that is a little screwed up. People have reason to call him an idiot- he does not have a reason to call people n*ggers and f*gs.
Now maybe I'm misquoting our constitution, but I think the rule for free speech is this-
The right to free speech UNLESS it causes harm to others.
Now, calling someone a n*gger would probably harm them. It's very insulting. However, unlike Levi, I don't think you have the right to beat them up if they call you that. That would most likely cause them more harm than you. I personally do not believe in the "Eye For An Eye" philosophy.
Calling someone a name like that is IMO a sin, and if you can manage to ignore it, you'd be better off. Then, it's their problem, not yours. Still, that won't happen with most people, so there must be some form of punishment. I think it is already against the law anyway.(Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Prison would be too strong. Possibly a fine. I'll think of something.
Hypothetically, if you're scared about your right to Free Speech, TGS, I suggest that you protest it in some other way, rather than insulting blacks and gays. It's not their fault your right has been taken away.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 22, 2007 11:57:08 GMT -5
TGS is still saying it's ok for him to call people n*ggers and f*gs, but not ok for people to call him an idiot. (1st of all planb, your an idiot . I was making a point about banning words with laws) I still think that is a little screwed up. (cause your dumb) People have reason to call him an idiot- he does not have a reason to call people n*ggers and f*gs. (I haven't called anyone an (insert racial/sexist/religious slur here). I was making a point that calling someone an "idiot" could be just as offencive.) Now maybe I'm misquoting our constitution, but I think the rule for free speech is this- The right to free speech UNLESS it causes harm to others. (Ok, see you callin me an idiot can cause as much harm to me as me callin you an (insert racial/sexist/religious slur here). which I think amounts to a total of 0 harm) Now, calling someone a n*gger would probably harm them. (but calling them a child raper or a jackhole is ok. Just dont use (insert racial/sexist/religious slur here) because those words are against the law to say?) It's very insulting. (so is callin someone a POS) However, unlike Levi, I don't think you have the right to beat them up if they call you that. (beating people up is agaisnt the law) That would most likely cause them more harm than you. I personally do not believe in the "Eye For An Eye" philosophy. (eye for an eye leaves the hole world blind. Now you've quoted someone who was truely wise. So, with the hole eye thing goin, does callin someone an (insert racial/sexist/religious slur here) entitle them to an "eye"(like a fine or somethin) Calling someone a name like that is IMO a sin, and if you can manage to ignore it, you'd be better off. Then, it's their problem, not yours. (but callin people an "idiot" isn't a sin. You are as much of a sinner as I am) Still, that won't happen with most people, so there must be some form of punishment. I think it is already against the law anyway.(Please correct me if I'm wrong.) (its called desturbing the peace. I dont have to be saying (insert racial/sexist/religious slur here) to desturb the peace either.) Prison would be too strong. Possibly a fine. I'll think of something. (ok, answer my, "who sounds like Stalin" challange. Nobody has responded yet. Not even super conservitive Stalinst MMV. Why don't you make a list of words u want to make illegal. Post the punishments for saying them. And tell us how you'll enforce your word bans) Hypothetically, if you're scared about your right to Free Speech, TGS, I suggest that you protest it in some other way, rather than insulting blacks and gays. It's not their fault your right has been taken away. (no, its not there fault. Its the Stalinist like you that want to dictate to everyone what they can and can't say even in private conversation)
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Post by MMV on Nov 22, 2007 21:42:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry (I must have missed something)
were you (talking to me)
OMG please someone (make me)
STOP (putting everything)
((IN))(PARENTHESIS))))
f()ck.
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Post by DrShot on Nov 23, 2007 4:26:39 GMT -5
[ OK ]
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 24, 2007 11:54:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry (I must have missed something) were you (talking to me) OMG please someone (make me) STOP (putting everything) ((IN))(PARENTHESIS)))) f()ck. Ya, I was refuring to the conservitve Stalinist. Remeber, you where all like... List here the words you dictate to be illegal you, as well as others, WELL know the words that aren't "PC" or shouldn't be used. it's the words that you/others have to "respell" with ...'s or %'s or #'s or @'s. there ARE other words that those with a higher education can use that are allowed without letter displacement. and tgs? even YOU have a VERY long journey ahead of you before you're 1/10th of 1% as much of a non-liberal conservative as I am. (your "you're a liberal!" argument only works on liberals, lol) You were for a list of words to be banned. Would words like ret@rd be on it too? I was making a point that conservitives can be Stalinist also. Then you were all worried about me calling you a "liberal". Well, a true "liberal" (and there aren't many anymore) may disagree with me using (insert racial/religious/sexist/non PC slur here) words to express myself, but would fight for my right to say them. The modern liberal or progressive as they like to be called, are really just commies with a new name. If you don't like my post cause of the PARENTHESIS, I wont make like Stalin and force you to read them. And BTW, I "am" conservitism
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capitalistpig
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Post by capitalistpig on Dec 8, 2007 1:45:58 GMT -5
TGS said: (callin me a liberal is like callin a black guy a nlgger. say it and its off to the camps with u)
hahahahaha
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