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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 4, 2006 20:23:55 GMT -5
Remember C3C's bug tricks?
"Don't click in while XXX is connecting!" "XXX has a french version so Maya is banned." "Give XXX slot 2."
We learned all the tricks for Civ3 which I guess is why some people say that C3C is less buggy than CIV. Obviously that's not really true, we just knew how to deal with C3C's bugs.
So please post your tricks, tips, and suggestions here.... we need 'em!
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 7, 2006 1:41:51 GMT -5
Get Civ4f makes connection easier it seems.
Play direct ip, also solves alot of connection problems.
Clear the cache by default by setting your ini file to disable cache clearing from 0 to 1.
Shift on boot up is suposed to clear the cache also.
Also set your viewable games from 30 to 50 its under refresh something or other in the ini file. You can see all the games, helps alot when you can see more than 30 games especially when there are 50 in the lobby.
Be patient, stop whining about bad peers, no such thing, I can host one minute the next no one can connect to my games as the server cannot find me, why? God alone knows.So stfu about bad peers and be patient. Yes booting the bad peer will often work, but the insinuation that it's a firewall/router issue is patently absurd when you can play one minute and not the next.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jan 7, 2006 16:10:39 GMT -5
Some good idea's Sidhe, Firaxis is working on the problem from the point of view that it is a code problem, GS is also saying that everything is fine on there end so they are not the problem, I'm not completely convinced of that myself but time will tell.
CS
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Post by NicodaMax on Jan 7, 2006 19:58:46 GMT -5
Get a program like WinTasks or Security Task Manager or WhatProcess, and terminate all non essential processes (I even shut down antivirus related processes). You could do it with Ctrl+Alt+Del but these programs tell you what those strange names mean and what program they belong to. Some firewalls may have hidden processes that may cause problems even if you shut the program down.
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 9, 2006 1:27:27 GMT -5
Actually just click on run and what's that program that shows all the programs you have running including ini files and alows you to set wether they are on or off? Then go through all your processes one by one turning off ones like networking with no network or telephony if your on Broadband, start with the obvious ones, then do a reg save, turn your computer back on and keep going til you have only those services you actually use, needless to say turning off the wrong ones will do more harm than good so be caregful, you can turn them off in another program I forgot the name of first or you can set them to only run when in use(my advice). It takes about 20 secs for me to boot up as oposed to 30-40 secs before and I have alot of clear memory to play around with, already have 1 gig but notice the free RAM you have now I'm gonna go experiment with it but I have all but processes Iactually used, turned off by deafault. A) you'll notice boot up is a million times faster and b) you will save a huge amount of resources. This can be done from ctrl alt delte menu but they'll just keep running when you reboot. With 1 gig (1048044MB) running with windows atm I have 686624 with a cache of over 286,000MB. That'll run civ no worries on large or larger maps single player and standard-large in mp. Never tried huge or large so more than enough. Ah yes run: msconfig if your gonna mess around with this though makes sure you do a backup of your reg before you do anything. There is another prog that's alot safer but I forget what it's called. Some good idea's Sidhe, Firaxis is working on the problem from the point of view that it is a code problem, GS is also saying that everything is fine on there end so they are not the problem, I'm not completely convinced of that myself but time will tell. CS Kinda funny this, there's a problem, but everyone either doesn't know or denies that there is one there end? hehe. Is all business about denying responsibility for stuff or just Gamespy's? If it's a coding issue then a third patch will clear up all the problems. However I had no problems the day the patch came out, it was only over the Christmas holiday when games went from 30-50 to well over a hundred running at any one time, that there seemed to be a problem. I think this may be more of an indicator than the patch? But then I'm just guessing? I would STRONGLY reccomend direct IP, i think all ladder games should be direct IP. Seems very few games are hosted this way, and i think people should be spreading the word, for 2 big reasons: 1) Connecting is easier 2) People cant join half way through Second thing is, once you die please dont retire, i found this causes a game crash, maybe that was a coincidance tho. If you die don't retire full stop as I'm informed it deletes your password, simply say gg guys cya and escape out of there. DOn't use alt q at all, a vote screen will come then you can just continue and the players pw will remain intact. That said direct IP is the way to go. If it crashes when you drop then it was going to do that anyway. So no great difference.
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Post by donaldkipper on Jan 9, 2006 6:46:14 GMT -5
most companies i have come across will deny its 'there end' causing the problem unless u provide proof it is
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 9, 2006 12:15:56 GMT -5
A few simple "tricks" to improve connection probabilities:
a) start clean every time. Start the game from scratch - ideally clearing cache (which can be done either by an init file change or by holding down shift during startup.
b) be patient. Sometimes you'll only connect after 1-2 minutes of delay.
c) keep trying. Sometimes you'll connect on the 2nd or 3rd attempt.
d) play with Ladder players who are known to you for having good connections. We have a lot of new members and some of them don't understand about firewalls, routers, etc.
e) Open port 2056 incoming and outgoing UDP.
f) If you have a firewall on, be sure the civ4 is on the Exception List.
g) check the other threads on this subject for additional ideas.
Best, SPM
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Post by NicodaMax on Jan 9, 2006 19:52:16 GMT -5
I think the program you mean Sidhe is X-Setup pro, or CCleaner (this one is free). They both have a really safe and easy to comprehend management of the run-on-boot programs. The thing is, you might wanna keep the antivirus, remote control managers (for my audigy or tv card), for when you actually turn the computer on not to play CIV. I know, it sounds crazy, who would do such a thing ;D You can unload those if you're gonna play and a whole bunch of other useless processes
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 9, 2006 20:20:09 GMT -5
no not at all, you can do all that with windows based programs and a site that will advise you how to do it. Unfortunately can't remember the windows based program that does it, but it also tells you precisely what every program does and whether it's important. You can download these programs, but Windows already has a set up that'll do it for you, just find a site that tells you what everything does and shut the superfluous crap down. There are plenty out there, why waste your time downloading when you can type in something in goggle and download nothing and use that site to use the software that already exists. Man gotta find that windows program, we all know that if you download you end up with ads and bullnuts, learn windows use the web never download easy solutions, you'll end up with superfluous Trojans and crap. Windows finally works after 10 years, they've stopped taking the piss, use the already provided material and a web site that tells you everything and you wont go far wrong. Downloading will get you nothing but crap on your computer, never download when there's a Trojan bullnuts free solution.
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Post by NicodaMax on Jan 10, 2006 19:12:21 GMT -5
While I agree 100% with you Sidhe, the two programs I mentioned are 2 out of hundreds. They're ok and ccleaner is free. I've dealt with lots of "ads and bullnuts" and "superfluous Trojans and crap" and I've found a few good programs out there (that'd make an interesting thread, but not here). Windows is a lot better now and I'm very curious about that program you say (please try to remember). And true, there are lots websites that tell you about the crap that gets loaded onto memory. Then just use the built in task manager in windows
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 11, 2006 14:05:38 GMT -5
Apparently it's called services but if you type run: services nothing happens so do find files or folders and type in services and it pops straight up.Run it and right click on the services and then properties will allow you to set it so it either runs automatically, manualy(when in use), or not at all; each service has a description of what it does in the first column use this to decide what you need and don't. If your worried about doing permanent damage you can't really unless you turn off essential sevices, and even then unlike msconfig you can just go back in and turn them back on again, back up your registry if you're worried, always a sensible precaution. If something like your CD ROM stops working simply turn what ever it is you turned off back on again. Nice and simple. I got rid of about twenty services that simply either are unnecessary or you only need to run when there in use. Hope this helps. Boot up should now be faster and more pain free and if CIV uses alot of your resources it should make some difference.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 11, 2006 15:42:22 GMT -5
Yes when exiting the game, don't use RETIRE (alt-Q) - instead either EXIT TO MAIN MENU or EXIT TO DESKTOP.
Retire has at least 2 bugs associated with it:
a) When a dead person "retires" it hangs game, b) When an alive person (owns 1 city or more) "retires" the AI takes over and if TAKEOVER AI is checked (NOT RECOMMENDED) any Noob can replace the AI causing further delays and confusion.
Best, SPM
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Post by NicodaMax on Jan 11, 2006 17:10:30 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that one! Click on run in the startup menu (Windows key + R) and type services.msc and enter. To edit a service just double click.
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Post by agent_x7 on Jan 11, 2006 18:23:49 GMT -5
The thing I hate most is when a dumbass noob with windows 95 trys to join a game in progress, and it freezes up. However, if you crash in game and takeover AI is not on that could be a problem too.
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Post by MMV on Jan 11, 2006 18:39:54 GMT -5
Civ4 won't load on Windows95, much less play. (see game requirements)
That "noob" will be frozen LONG before he get's into the lobby or a game.
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Post by werttrew on Jan 17, 2006 11:13:54 GMT -5
e) Open port 2056 incoming and outgoing UDP. f) If you have a firewall on, be sure the civ4 is on the Exception List.
I'm a bit of a noob with computer settings...how do I do these two things?
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 21, 2006 1:54:01 GMT -5
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Post by zzZhenon on May 13, 2006 13:53:19 GMT -5
You cannot quit the game on the same turn that you die! It will lock the game up for the people still in the game. Wait until the following turn to exit.
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Post by MMV on May 13, 2006 16:34:36 GMT -5
don't play with people who constantly boast about "pirated" versions
pirated windows or pirated game software don't work very well, much less work together.
note: ctl+alt+delete ONCE brings up windows task manager and you can see what your comp is running there and shut down what you want accordingly.
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Post by Elledge on May 17, 2006 3:12:40 GMT -5
don't play with people who constantly boast about "pirated" versions pirated windows or pirated game software don't work very well, much less work together. This seems unlikely. There is zero difference between a generic pirated version of a piece of software and a normal version, most of the time. The only difference is in one you read the CD key off a box and in one you read the CD key off of notepad. That said, maybe you should not play with those folks anyway, since pirating is kind of an not a very nice person thing to do mostly.
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