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Post by thegreatsatan on Jul 19, 2007 13:58:13 GMT -5
After watching all these politics the last couple years I just came up with a bold new plan. Republicans who truely love thier country and fight everyday to keep America great need to engage in some tuff love. Let the Liberals in all branches of goverment have there way.
REPULICANS STAND DOWN. Let the liberals punish America. Let them repeal the tax cuts and make the repeal retro active. Let them put all their sin taxes into effect. Its funny that in 2007 a pack of smokes cost 5 bucks. Wake up people!! It cost pennys to make a pack. Wheres that money going and who does that tax hurt the most? Let them dictate what car you can drive, what you can and can't eat, and whats ok to say in public.
Let the Libs continue their scrapping of the military. Let them eliminate the homeland security department. Let them cow tow to the Islams, russians, and who ever else is scary. Let them spend your tax money on bike lanes and crap instead of improving highways. Let them ban domestic energy production. Let them teach sex ed to your kindergardeners, rape them, knock them up, and get them an abortion without parent notification all payed for by the tax payer.
Its Time for America to suffer for electing people that hate them to lead them.
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Post by mrgametheory on Jul 19, 2007 14:46:26 GMT -5
lol Receipe on how to get elected.. 1) Make a pack of Smokes $2.00 more expensive in taxes. 2) Make Gasoline $2.00 more expensive in taxes. 3) Make Bottle of liquor / 20 Pack of Beer and up $2.00 more expensive in taxes. 4) Increase a tax on agriculture 5 cents per good in taxes. 5) Raise national Minimum Wage $2.00. 6) Cut the tax rate on all small businesses 50% 7) Set up special bond program for foreign investors which yields 1/2% more than domestic Investors. 9) Offer fat reward of $10,000 to employees who report employeers and get conviction for paying them under the table. 10) Make penalties for employers who fail to report wages paid to under the table employees atleast a $10,001 fine with Small Jail time. 11) allow for the next 100 days all illigal immagrents already in USA to become full american citizens. Those who do not have a job or are apart of the armed services within 3 month will have there citizenship revolked, and those who don't pay taxes for the year will have there citizenship revolked. 12) Add 10% tax on all tickets and convictions of any kind. 12) Take all of this money and put it into benifits for individuals 60 years and older. 13) Win the election Because 50% of voters are over the age of 60
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Post by kurdape on Jul 19, 2007 15:24:47 GMT -5
Too fricken late, they already do all that crap. You just want to double what is already in place. Frack that, lower my taxes. Get the Socialist frickin state we call democrats out of the house and senate. I want the government to pave my roads and keep the bad guys out of my borders. Thats it. The state can tax me for the police and parks. Get rid of welfare etc. We will not need it with the sudden boost in the economy. In times of great need the government needs to do something like the Hoover Dam to spur the economy, but we are doing fine now.
Rant over, thx MGT for another thrillin topic
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Post by thegreatsatan on Sept 7, 2007 14:00:29 GMT -5
Right wing radio is getting it. Liberals hate America. Liberals hate the average American that works everyday to support his average family. Why do liberals hate the average American family you ask? To fully understand this, you gotta understand what a liberal is, and who liberals are.
First, to be liberal, you have to be self-centered. This is because of the primary liberal value, "tolerance". You believe that people, including yourself, have the right to look, say, and do anything (as long as it's "mostly" legal) in public and people around you should just tolerate it.
Who are the liberals, and why do they hate the average family?
Criminals: Very high % are liberal. Liberals are always fighting against law enforcement. Criminals pray on the average family.
Lawyers: Very high % are liberal. Liberals in this field do what they can to tear down the US justice system. Lawyers make their money by suing the average family and small businesses. Large businesses can defend them selfs.
Environmentalist A very very high % are liberals. One of the most hate consumed groups, environmentalist blame America (not china or Russia cause if they went there and said something they'd get ran over by tanks) for all the pollution in the world. They hate the average American for driving SUVs while soring high above in a private jet.
Environmentalist make all their living by tell the average American how big of an ignorant slob he/she is. They think they are smarter, better people.
Islams Yes Islams. Osama sounds just like a Democrat. He even blames America for global warming. The Islams, who make all there money selling the USA oil, now blame the USA for global warming. Typical liberal. I think Osama could win a Senate seat in Massachusetts.
Islams hate all Americans. The funny thing is the hate the liberals the most. The very people that defend the Islams here would be the first to go if the Islams come to power.
Anyway, all u libs who just hate George Bush I want u to remember. Jealousy leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side.
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Post by whiplash on Sept 7, 2007 15:57:23 GMT -5
They also hate the traditional institutions that have made this a great country.
Specifically:
The Traditional Family
Corporations
The Military
Christians
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Post by emperorpenguin25 on Sept 24, 2007 16:37:55 GMT -5
If there is one thing to be learned from civ, it is that one person wants supreme power. unfortunately people can't handle that power. As we debate republican vs democrat we need to realize that both parties are seeking power. we are close to a dictatorship. Today our president can just say 2 words "enemy combatant," and you are locked up in jail.
Recently a young student was tazered. we all saw this on the news. Now I ask why? there was no evidence he was a danger to anybody. he was shocked because they wanted to sensor him. Don't look and say i don't like liberals. they all are taking away our freedom. Vote for people who will uphold democracy.
A Patriot EmperorPenguin25
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Post by thegreatsatan on Sept 28, 2007 11:12:45 GMT -5
true dat emp. Vote for people that will uphold democracy.
Socialism is not democracy. Communism is not democracy. What do socialist and communist hate even more then afganistans with shoulder fired missles? They hate Democracy. So once again, if you like having the right to vote, don't vote for people that hate you. Cause when they can, they will take that right away. Then they will stick you where they think you deserve to be.
Liberals hate America and everything America was built on
1. Freedom People are to dumb
2. Capitolism Its not fair
3. Democracy People are to dumb
4. God who?
Don't vote for people that hate you!!!!!!!! (by "you" i mean the average American that makes less then 6 figures)
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Post by marr on Sept 28, 2007 23:12:06 GMT -5
The first thing Americans will learn when the Democratics take office is:
1: They aren't so scary.
2: Nothing will be different.
3: American lives will still be the same.
4: Your international relations will improve tenfold.
5: You will live longer.
6: Your sex drive will be increased.
7: You will have health care.
8: CNN will have nothing to follow but the weather.
9: You will suffer one turn of anarchy as you change to environmentalism civic.
10: The federal housing programs and initatives will not be preceded with the word ghettos.
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Post by DrShot on Sept 28, 2007 23:43:58 GMT -5
I will let whipllash or TGS take the initative for the full story, but you could not be further from the truth on that one marr... get off the bottle ole boy
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Post by thegreatsatan on Sept 29, 2007 1:02:46 GMT -5
The first thing Americans will learn when the Democratics take office is:
1: They aren't so scary. If you don't work for a living a pay taxes
2: Nothing will be different. Nothing will get better
3: American lives will still be the same. Stuck in a war without the will to win it
4: Your international relations will improve tenfold. With dictators
5: You will live longer. Not if i have to wait in line or meet guide lines to recieve medical care
6: Your sex drive will be increased. Cause of all the smut they will allow
7: You will have health care. You just have to compete with 300,000,000 others for same resourses
8: CNN will have nothing to follow but the weather. CNN just makes news up anyway
9: You will suffer one turn of anarchy as you change to environmentalism civic. Everything will cost more and less people will have jobs
10: The federal housing programs and initatives will not be preceded with the word ghettos. The war on poverty continues...
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 13, 2007 23:30:03 GMT -5
Right wing radio is getting it. Liberals hate America. Liberals hate the average American that works everyday to support his average family. Why do liberals hate the average American family you ask? To fully understand this, you gotta understand what a liberal is, and who liberals are. First, to be liberal, you have to be self-centered. This is because of the primary liberal value, "tolerance". You believe that people, including yourself, have the right to look, say, and do anything (as long as it's "mostly" legal) in public and people around you should just tolerate it. Who are the liberals, and why do they hate the average family? Criminals: Very high % are liberal. Liberals are always fighting against law enforcement. Criminals pray on the average family. Lawyers: Very high % are liberal. Liberals in this field do what they can to tear down the US justice system. Lawyers make their money by suing the average family and small businesses. Large businesses can defend them selfs. Environmentalist A very very high % are liberals. One of the most hate consumed groups, environmentalist blame America (not china or Russia cause if they went there and said something they'd get ran over by tanks) for all the pollution in the world. They hate the average American for driving SUVs while soring high above in a private jet. Environmentalist make all their living by tell the average American how big of an ignorant slob he/she is. They think they are smarter, better people. Islams Yes Islams. Osama sounds just like a Democrat. He even blames America for global warming. The Islams, who make all there money selling the USA oil, now blame the USA for global warming. Typical liberal. I think Osama could win a Senate seat in Massachusetts. Islams hate all Americans. The funny thing is the hate the liberals the most. The very people that defend the Islams here would be the first to go if the Islams come to power. Anyway, all u libs who just hate George Bush I want u to remember. Jealousy leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side. Almost everything in this post is wrong. First, if you don't hate Bush, you must either be very ignorant or just evil. He has single-handedly increased the national debt by over 3 trillion dollars since he has taken office. The American dollar is now considerably weaker than other currencys... And look at this- Um... wow. Now, keep in mind this is from 2005, but it hasn't changed a whole lot since then. We spend about as much as China, Russia, the UK, Japan, and the next 10 countries combined on our military. And in a related graph- So 21% of our taxes aren't going to help our debt, they're going to increase it further by funding the Iraq War. The Iraq War was started for a number of false reasons. One was that they had weapons of mass destruction. The UN investigated and found no evidence... then we investigated and found no evidence... then we invaded anyway. Another reason was because of 911, which Iraq had nothing to do with. Last reason was because Saddam had to be removed from power because his people were suffering. This is true, however, between 100,000 and 500,000 Iraqi citizens have died and between 200,000 and 800,000 have been crippled since we invaded. I don't think his people were suffering THAT badly.. Lastly, he has only vetoed 2 bills,(or 3, I can't remember) Stem Cell Research and Heath Care for Kids who's families can't afford it. Well, he certainly cares about the health of our people. He is basically a hypocritical killer that is destroying the country. That about sums it up, I think. ;D You cannot say Liberals hate American Families because Criminals do and Criminals are Liberals. Criminals make up for such a small percent they almost don't matter. Lawyers- They just do their job. But if there's one thing we don't need more of in this country, it's lawyers. Environmentalist- What the hell is wrong with that? Are you saying you don't care about the environment? Islams- The term is Muslims. To say they all hate America is... WAY OFF to say the least. Extremists like Bin Laden do, but the majority of them do not. I don't quite understand why you think Liberals hate the Average family. Care to elaborate?
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 14, 2007 0:09:56 GMT -5
true dat emp. Vote for people that will uphold democracy. Socialism is not democracy. Communism is not democracy. What do socialist and communist hate even more then afganistans with shoulder fired missles? They hate Democracy. So once again, if you like having the right to vote, don't vote for people that hate you. Cause when they can, they will take that right away. Then they will stick you where they think you deserve to be. Liberals hate America and everything America was built on 1. Freedom People are to dumb 2. Capitolism Its not fair 3. Democracy People are to dumb 4. God who? Don't vote for people that hate you!!!!!!!! (by "you" i mean the average American that makes less then 6 figures) You don't understand what Socialism and Communism are. Here: Capitalism- Everything is privately owned. Socialism- Basic necessities, like health care, are provided by the government, but all other things are privately owned. Communism- Everything is owned by the government. Essentially, That's what they are. Notice, if you will, that they have nothing to do with religion, freedom, or democracy. They are economic civics, not government ones. ;D Why's everyone bitchin about Socialism? Bad Points of Capitalism- People in poverty cannot afford health care, food, shelter, clothing, etc. Some of it is provided by charity, but many people still lack it. At the same time, people like Bill Gates can amass Billions of dollars and keep lots of it for themselves.(Yes, I know he gives a lot to charity, but he still has tens of billions) Bad Points of Communism- Government owns everything, has too much power. Your country will not make as much money because of lack of competition between businesses. Government will own newspapers, TV stations, etc. so there may be censorship. Socialism combines the good parts of both while leaving out the bad parts.
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Post by marr on Oct 14, 2007 1:46:50 GMT -5
George Bush is the greatest American president ever! Of course tho, I am Canadian and enjoying a Canadian dollar at 1.02 American right now so I might be biased. Thank god I don't rely on NAFTA for my income;)
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Post by marr on Oct 14, 2007 1:47:34 GMT -5
Question tho, Is a Liberal in Canada or Europe different from a Liberal in America?
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Post by marr on Oct 14, 2007 2:48:31 GMT -5
Full of questions today, damn the Socratic Method, almost as good as satirical statements:P
Health Care... Tobacco Tax... Rising Minimum wage... Red Light Cameras...
Oh boy the list goes on, you can admit it TGS, is America maybe taking a few pages out of Canadas play book?
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 14, 2007 9:23:51 GMT -5
Here's what I found on Wikipedia:
For Canada:
In the present times, the Liberal party has favoured a variety of policies from both right and left, but mostly left of the political spectrum. It has been a strong champion of balanced budgets, and eliminated the deficit completely from the federal budget a few years after coming to power in 1993, by reducing spending on and/or downloading social programs to provinces. It had legalized same-sex marriage and use of cannabis for medical purposes, and has been proposing complete decriminalization of possession of small amounts of it. The party also holds progressive views on various other social issues like abortion.
During the 2006 election the Liberal party's platform included an
Introduction of a national childcare program Immediately cut tax for low income earners by 1 point from 16% to 15% Tougher firearm laws, including a ban on handguns and semi-automatic rifles Reducing wait times for medical treatments Increased support and opportunities for seniors, immigrants and the aboriginal populations Increased spending on military Additional investment in research and higher education.
For The United States, Liberals aren't an actual party, it's more of an ideology, but they generally vote for Democrats, The Green Party, And Various Independants:
In the early 21st century, the term "liberalism" in the United States has been applied to a broad spectrum of viewpoints. As the Democratic Party, generally seen as the standard-bearer of liberalism, adopted the more centrist outlook of the DLC, the term "liberal" (applied to the party as a whole) became associated even with more centrist candidates who, for example, may support the death penalty or take pro-business positions. For this reason, and because many on the right have so heavily used "liberal" as a pejorative, some Americans on the left of the political spectrum prefer to call the movement progressivism.
On the other hand, those associated with the DLC have used the term neoliberalism to describe what they regard as a more pragmatic and results-oriented form of American liberalism. This usage creates some confusion, since the same term is used to describe the international revival of classical liberalism and the associated radical free-market policies associated with politicians such as Margaret Thatcher and, in the United States, Ronald Reagan.
The following are some of the views that many contemporary American liberals or progressives support, starting with several points where there would be a strong consensus among American liberals.
A social "safety net" including support for Medicare, unemployment benefits, health insurance, and preservation of existing Social Security and welfare programs Adherence to the principle of separation of church and state A reasonable progressive tax system Civil rights, including laws against discrimination based on gender, race, age, religion, sexual orientation, or disability Laws intended to protect the environment from pollution and encourage conservation of resources Government role in funding or subsidizing public education and public transportation Regulation of business practices through OSHA, child labor laws, anti-trust laws, and minimum wage laws. Labor unions and labor regulation The belief in a woman's right to abortion by Roe v. Wade standards Government role in alternative energy development Government responsibility to supervise ports and infrastructure in the public interest A spirit of international cooperation and strong alliances The elimination of the death penalty Advocacy of federal funding for embryonic stem cell research and support of scientific study Affirmative action continuance and transitional multi-lingual educational programs for children whose first language is not English Gun control and regulation for safety Opposition to censorship of the media Marijuana or hemp legalization for medicinal, industrial, or recreational purposes The right of the terminally ill to end their life Animal welfare Support for same sex-marriage
So it looks to me like they are similar, but Liberals in the U.S. are far-left whereas Liberals in Canada are Left-Center.
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 14, 2007 10:23:56 GMT -5
In Contrast, Here are the Ideologies of Conervatives(Found On Wikipedia): In western democracies, 'conservative' and 'right-wing' are often used interchangeably, as near-synonyms. That is not always accurate, but it has more than incidental validity. Certainly the opposition is in both cases the same: the political left. (Although left-wing groups and individuals may have conservative social and cultural attitudes, they are not generally accepted, by self-identified conservatives, as part of the same movement). On economic policy and the economic system, conservatives and the right generally support the free market, although less so in Europe than in other places. Attitudes on some ethical and bio-ethical issues — such as opposition to abortion — are described as either 'right-wing' or 'conservative'. Burkean conservatives favour incremental over radical change, even from the right. Most conservatives distrust the xenophobic and even racist sentiments prominent on the political right, just as most socialists distrust the communistic sentiments prominent on the political left. Protectionism and anti-immigration policies may conflict with free-market conservatives' support for deregulation and free trade. Some conservatives oppose military interventionism, inspired by early British conservative thinkers, such as David Hume and Edmund Burke. Burke saw imperialism as interfering with the traditions and organic make-up of the colonised societies. The overlap between 'respectable' conservatives and the extreme right is determined by the degree of political taboo, rather than inherent ideological incompatibility. In European parliamentary systems, conservatives currently ally with centrist or even leftist groups, rather than with the xenophobic-populist right, although critics have contended that the conservatives are taking in far-right ideas. For example, in December 2005, Le Canard Enchaîné claimed that Nicolas Sarkozy had implemented almost all of the far-right Front National (FN) measures proposed in its election program. All mainstream parties in Belgium cooperated to exclude the Flemish-separatist and xenophobic Vlaams Belang, although some politicians wish to break this 'cordon sanitaire'. And mainstream parties in France sometimes support each others' candidates in run-off elections, to exclude the Front National party. However, in March 1977, and then March 1983, FN was present on RPR-UDF lists at municipal elections; in 1988, RPR and UDF right-wing conservative parties allied with FN in the Bouches-du-Rhône and Var regions. In March 1989, they had common lists in at least 28 cities of more than 9 000 inhabitants. Those alliances were condemned in 1991, but a dozen conservative deputies gained FN's support in 1997. Heh, Good thing not all conservatives are far-right. Conservatism In The U.S. This brings me to another point- Why I think the Electoral College should be removed. Basically, If you voted Republican in California, your vote doesn't count. Likewise, if you voted Democrat in Ohio, your vote doesn't count. Lets take a hypothetical scenario, using this map. Let's say all the red states won by one vote. (And lets say that however many elctoral "points" are the number of people who voted. For instance, In Texas, 34 people would vote. Okay, if all the red states won by one or two votes(If they have an even number of "points"), a total of 167 people would vote for them(Correct me if I'm wrong). If, in all the blue states, EVERYONE voted Democratically, Then a Total of 370 people would have voted Democratically(Including the people who voted Democrat in the Red States). It is therefore possible to win the election with only 31% of the vote!!! Waddup Wit Dat??!!
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 14, 2007 14:31:07 GMT -5
wow weee. Some action ;D
First off and most important. The term is "islams" and yes, a vast majority of "islams" hate America. I will not give the islams legitimecy by calling them what they want to be called. They practice a backward religion that preaches hate, marderdom, and oppresion. If you are a freedom loving person, they are your enemy. Just ask any random one. See how many pro American islams you find. They believe America is the great satan. But its not just America they hate. They hate Christians and Jews and women. The islams have been at war with the western world since day 1 of islam. They need to be defeated not accepted.
ok now on to the fun stuff.
commie-ism and socialism are far more then economic policy. They are a way of life. I noticed in the bad points of commie-ism u didnt mention poverty, starvation, or slavery. All of which come right with commie-ism. U also didn't mention the huge police force needed to keep your commies on the up n up(black market movies, books, levi's jeans, can't have that). And the camps you gotta build to house the rule breakers.
Socialism is no different from commie-ism. U still need the huge police force and the camps. As more people draw on the benifts, the benifts get less n less.
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Post by DrShot on Oct 14, 2007 15:07:30 GMT -5
Essentially, That's what they are. Notice, if you will, that they have nothing to do with religion, freedom, or democracy. They are economic civics, not government ones. ;D Why's everyone bitchin about Socialism? Bad Points of Capitalism- People in poverty cannot afford health care, food, shelter, clothing, etc. Some of it is provided by charity, but many people still lack it. At the same time, people like Bill Gates can amass Billions of dollars and keep lots of it for themselves.(Yes, I know he gives a lot to charity, but he still has tens of billions) First, let me point out when you say that these systems of government are 'economic civics' not 'government ones' you have juxtaposed what they are indeed. Populations are governed through economics therefor any form of government IS in fact an economic civic. The applications may differ yet they are always forms of government first. There is no one true example of a 'working' Communist or Democratic governing body. Example: The United Soviet Socialist Republic was not a Communist dictatorship, a widely held misconception: truer to socialism that communism yet combining the properties of both(for the good of the few ). Example: The United States of America; another example of incorrectly labeled government. A Democratic Republic is what is the governing system in place, again, not a Democracy. There are many off shoots and mixed forms of government. Idealistically, that is theoretically, almost any form of government can be presented as a great way to take care of, even empower the masses. In truth, most are mere outlines that need be adjusted accordingly over time and consider cultural and geographical needs as well as a whole host of other factors. Bottom line remains the same, the success of any government is contingent upon, above all, economics. Side note: I hear Cuba has great health care programs in place(not that I actually believe that), would you like to live there?
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 14, 2007 17:10:50 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia: The Cuban government has been accused of numerous human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extra-judicial executions.[45] Dissidents complain of harassment and torture. Um... no But good point about the government- If it is run correctly, any government can be a good one, however, there is no "perfect government" so far.
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