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Post by WarningU2 on Oct 9, 2006 10:28:54 GMT -5
Today the world learns that North Korea has done what we all feared - the development of nuclear weapons. They are now capable of firing nuclear weapons on their enemies.
Not everyone realizes that officially North Korea, US and the UN are actually in prolonged truce to a war that was declared in the 1950's.
I think we're at the brink of looking at WW III with China again backing it's Korean puppet state despite their protests of the recent test.
Some of you are likely more verse in what's going on so I would like to know what your thoughts are ?
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Post by deyreepher on Oct 9, 2006 11:05:15 GMT -5
It's about time for some bilateral talks, don't you think? I mean you can only break so many promises and bully someone until you force them to show you their hand....in this case a really huge backhand.
There won't be another Iraq, that's for sure, unless you want to see 20 million dead Japanese coupled with 16 million dead South Koreans.
Nuclear bombs....regardless of what people say, it works. I recommend everyone take 2 and then go out for breakfast in the morning.
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Post by Bantams on Oct 9, 2006 12:16:28 GMT -5
Well I Hope what some ppl in my country have said on the news is true and thats that they dont have the technology to fire them anywhere (they not researched rocketry or something) so they say on the News
but since noboby knows much about North Korea only the North Koreans guess its still a bit scarey all the same
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Post by ironclad on Oct 9, 2006 13:59:33 GMT -5
Everyone will get nukes eventually -- then we will have a show
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Post by notagoodname on Oct 9, 2006 20:21:01 GMT -5
Well we should now remove the sanctions on basic items to them. The sanctions were justified in order to weaken their military. They have nukes now so that justification is now irrelevant, they can do damage no matter how much we starve them. In fact the worse thing would be to have a hungry nation with nukes and no food.
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Post by deyreepher on Oct 9, 2006 20:48:12 GMT -5
Heh, intelligence on North Korea. Good luck with that. No one really knows what is going on there. They supposdly had nukes back in 1994. Why hold out for 12 years? If capitalism is all that it's supposed to be, I say we innundate them with McDonald's and Coca-Cola. A fat enemy can't run and would be too busy playing World of Warcraft to bother nuking other people. Just don't PK Kim Jong-Il's player though.....
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 9, 2006 21:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by deyreepher on Oct 10, 2006 1:39:54 GMT -5
Isn't that what we want to export to totalitarian governments? Capitalism and democracy go hand in hand, don't they? It's the ultimate irony of the situation. We should have showered them with Whoppers, fries and sodas....instead of threats of intimidation.
The other middle eastern countries are supposed to be our "friends." Iran could probably make their own if they wanted. They're not that isolated from the rest of the world. It is after all, cheaper to negotiate (which we didn't even attempt to do with North Korea), than it is to follow through on threats (as demonstrated by the occupation of Iraq).
Those that say that capitalism doesn't work, just go to Shanghai or Moscow....then it probably helped that those two countries had nukes of their own. Funny how that works out as well....
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Post by whiplash on Oct 10, 2006 6:37:58 GMT -5
Since the blast was detectable using seismographs 1/2 way around the world, I imagine the NK citizens must have fealt it. I wonder; did they feel a sense of national pride, or did they look at their emaciated starving children and ask themselves "why"?
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Post by MMV on Oct 10, 2006 10:56:21 GMT -5
one of the original reasons NK went "nuke" was an effort for nuclear power because 75% of NK suffers daily (long) power outages.
actually, it WAS the same for Iran - but they already had some nuclear energy from companies around the world that they improved upon from the pre-Ayatollah days during the Pavlavi government (indeed, these people that impoved up their nuclear power capability went to the WORLD'S universties)
as in Civ, this decreases their overall production (including food production), citizen happiness, etc. (but you can bet NK's "palace" never runs out of power)
Neither NK or SK have large amounts of agrable land and neither can produce enough food to feed it's own citizens.
The "difference" between NK and SK is that NK (in the past) has refused agrarian reform or assistance where SK has done so with their open-market trading economy - hence the hungry NK citizens and the minimal industrial/economic base in NK.
Which brings us back to their dictator - he has only one thing in mind - his personal needs and wants.
Personally, I believe (and so do many world leaders) that although a very minor threat to world security, and a modest threat to area security, the NK dictator is trying to use this new "tool" as leverage for food/economic assistance UNDER HIS terms - vice standard assistant terms (he has a history of this)
this is not "theory" but fact.
Regrettably, much of this was "un-newsworthy" prior to NK's nukes; consequently the current "media magnifying glass" only focuses on the issue of nukes and not the factors that brougth them that direction.
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Post by MMV on Oct 10, 2006 11:01:46 GMT -5
oppinion: China's action against NK is the thing to fear - they would NEVER allow efficient/sufficient nuclear arms in EITHER NK or SK and would make a 48 hour 5million-man army march across korea and end the situation (but creating more problems)
would China nuke NK if they felt a threat? without a doubt (in my oppinion).
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Post by mrgametheory on Oct 11, 2006 11:25:48 GMT -5
I don't really think this matter is that important, I live in Beverly Hills California and that is probably the last place NK will nuke if they chose to In my opinion, the United Nations Should of drafted a document several years ago which stated that any government which creates new nuclear weapons would be dismantled by the UN In the end "God wills it" LALALALALALALLALALALALALLALALLLA
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Post by MMV on Oct 11, 2006 15:45:18 GMT -5
I don't really think this matter is that important, I live in Beverly Hills California and that is probably the last place NK will nuke if they chose to Good point, if they nuked SoCal, they'd be nuking their own people, lol!
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Post by sonobal on Oct 11, 2006 20:28:51 GMT -5
A first class demonstration on how telling people 'do as we say not as we do' will get you nowhere.
How can a nation with the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons (over 10,000 at last count), the only nation to have used nuclear weapons and a nation that is taking the development of nuclear weapons into the future through its 'Reliable replacement warhead' program ever expect to be an ambassador for nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation?
It has attack 2 nations which were totally defenceless and incapable of putting up a good fight in Iraq (cripped by over a decade of sanctions) and Afghanistan ( a state less advanced than those in the medieval ages). All this was telling the world one thing, if your weak, and we dont like you, we'll come after you. So whats a nation like north korea to think?
"well they've taken us out of their christmas card list. The say we're 'evil'. They're threatening us with sanctions. hmmmmm..... we need to get a bigger stick to fight them off with'.
And all the while the 'civilised of this world have no quarms with carrying on playing on their uneven playing field, acting like a cartel of nations divided into the haves and have nots, the rest of the world has to be dictated to on what they can and cant do.
Isn't the hypocricy suffocating?
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Post by MMV on Oct 12, 2006 5:04:43 GMT -5
you're absolutely correct!
I called the white-house switchboard, and the switch-board operator put me right through to the state department when I told her about your post here.
I was then informed that such an idea was so novel and straight-forward that all US troops would be pulled out of NorthKorea IMMEDIATELY (it's happening as we speak)
France, UK, China, Japan, India and all of the pacific rim nations were FLABBERGASTED that we'd leave them in that situation - BUT, even the radical muslim groups applauded the idea and subsequent actions and promised to remove their terrorist cell/sleeper groups later today.
The only world government that protested the move was the Palestinian parliment which was quoted by sources as saying - "NO STOP, we're running out of both child-suicide bombers and rocks!"
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Post by mrgametheory on Oct 13, 2006 2:35:26 GMT -5
MMV that socal comment is funny lol
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Post by MMV on Oct 13, 2006 8:06:22 GMT -5
MMV that socal comment is funny lol lol - not bad if I do say so myself - and especially not bad for getting up that early, lol.
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Post by Ellestar on Oct 15, 2006 15:59:05 GMT -5
None of these weapons can be rocketed cross atlantic or pacific yet. But This blows no doubt about it. Hahahahaha Just smuggle some nukes in. Much cheaper than ICBMs anyway. Probably thousands times cheaper than several bribes, even if you'll count only production cost (not including research cost). Of course, North Korea doesn't need it but others may do it.
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Post by theidiot on Oct 16, 2006 12:44:28 GMT -5
ja ne ponimajo
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Post by Bantams on Oct 17, 2006 17:15:36 GMT -5
Ignore him hes a Idiot
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