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Post by Ellestar on Sept 21, 2006 6:16:53 GMT -5
www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13028USA 30% Iran 23% P.S. It's just a neutral Europe. Try to make such a poll in Russia or Asian countries and you'll see significantly higher numbers for USA... www.baltimorechronicle.com/2006/091106ROBERTS.shtml In European opinion, the axis-of-evil is Bush’s America.Almost twice as many British, whose Prime Minister Tony Blair is complicit in Bush’s war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq, see the US as the greatest threat to world stability than see Iran as the danger. In Spain three times more people regard the US as the threat than see Iran as the threat. Only in Italy does Iran edge out the US as the greatest perceived threat, a result no doubt due to the propaganda that spews from the media empire of Silvio Berlusconi, the Rupert Murdoch of Italy.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 21, 2006 6:24:33 GMT -5
I wonder if this poll was mainly targetted towards the European Muslim Community because ive never seen it in any English newspapers or even heard about such a poll until now
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 21, 2006 6:39:14 GMT -5
I thought that Financial Times is a UK newspaper, maybe even the biggest one. AFAIK there is a US edition as well. And it's their poll.
I never heard that Financial Times was brought by muslims. Oh well, people who want to stay blind will find a conspiracy theories everywhere just to be able to deny anything they don't like.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 21, 2006 7:06:03 GMT -5
Yes financial times is a uk paper but it also states under methodology online interviews with 2000 ppl in each country or there abouts so i guess thats where the poll came from not much of a poll really considering the amount of population in europe and they only asked approximately 10,000 people out of the entire europen community owe and id vote Iran too if i was asked
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 21, 2006 7:14:20 GMT -5
Yes financial times is a uk paper but it also states under methodology online interviews with 2000 ppl in each country or there abouts so i guess thats where the poll came from not much of a poll really considering the amount of population in europe and they only asked approximately 10,000 people out of the entire europen community owe and id vote Iran too if i was asked Sigh. 'Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience' But whatever, i'll try. Margin of error is 3 per cent.These polls are considered to be quite accurate for generations and everyone takes them serious. Everyone but people with a political blindness. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_pollIn practice pollsters need to balance the cost of a large sample against the reduction in sampling error and a sample size of around 500-1,000 is a typical compromise for political polls. (Note that to get 500 complete responses it may be necessary to make thousands of phone calls.) P.S. Tell me if you need a bigger font because of your blindness.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 21, 2006 7:23:31 GMT -5
I get the poll in just dont think its very accurate well not the uk results anyway thats my opinion.
perhaps some other europeans can state their opinions on the poll
oh and no need too shout I aint Deaf nor am I Blind a little dumb perhaps but definatley not deaf or blind
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Post by Tony on Sept 21, 2006 20:38:51 GMT -5
Im not really sure what this poll shows, generally speaking the british public do not feel effected by Irans actions at this moment in time, while on the other hand Americans actions effect us all, directly or indirectly.
Also this poll has been taken at a time when anti-americanism is at its highest for a long long time, this is largely down to the war in iraq/terror. This is one factor that has skewed the results.
Whats interesting IMO is the fact that Spain and UK are the two nations that swing the poll in the USA direction, they both have 2 things in common, 1) they were both involved in the war on terror 2) they were both bombed for it. This made people angry at 2 groups of people 1) The terrorists for doing this 2) America, as it was there actions that caused the knock on effect. This really brought this war home, first it was a foreign war fought on foreign land, in the case if the UK the attacks were a million times harder to foil as they were committed by its own citizens, a fair few number of attacks have been attempted since then aswell. The head of the police himself has admitted these home grown terrorists are extremely difficult to pick up and if they keep trying eventually one will get through. So adding all this together to have a very “scared” British public, that are on the front line of the war on terror, these people may or may not have voted in Blair, they might have even protested against the war, but they will still be targeted indiscriminately, this is what makes people think America are a bigger threat, there actions are more “in our face”.
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Post by whiplash on Sept 21, 2006 20:57:50 GMT -5
These stupid polls mean nothing. An event can happen tomorrow and the polls will swing in the other direction.
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Post by notagoodname on Sept 22, 2006 1:51:51 GMT -5
After doing statistics in uni i can tell you that Ellestar is correct, a random sample of 500-1000 ppl in any number of a population will still give a good representation of the total population (1000 = 3% sampling error for any population).
It's an exponential thing, a sample of 20 gives a terrible error rate, so does 100, so does 200, at about 300 the error rate drops a bit, at 500 it's good, at 1000 the error rate is only 3% even with a total population of infinity.
So this poll is quite reliable if you do the raw maths to calculate the error rate.
Anyway i tend to agree with it. Iran hasn't been in a position to take over the world for a long time. America is in a poisition to challenge all countries at once. History has shown that peace doesn't occur without a balance of power. China and the EU will eventually catch up but right now America is doing what it wants regardless of the UN.
The CIA secret prisons don't help the US image much either, at least Irans secret prisons are confined to their own damn borders.
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Post by MMV on Sept 23, 2006 0:36:23 GMT -5
Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience If we all took that advice, there'd be no reason for you to post here as no one would respond.
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Post by MMV on Sept 23, 2006 0:38:49 GMT -5
A recent Ladder Poll indicates that 50% of the people believe that ellestar has the brains God gave a rock.
The other 50% indicated that he doesn't have the brains God gave a rock.
(I believe that about half these people are correct)
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Post by Tony on Sept 23, 2006 17:46:34 GMT -5
nah Ellestar is a smart logical thinker IMO!
His posts nearly always have susbtance!
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Post by tommynt on Sept 23, 2006 19:23:25 GMT -5
eh? this poll is dumb and every1 voting for iraqu as danger to world stability is even more dumb - how can a totaly cripled, kinda bombed to stoneage country be a danger to world stability? some dudes < like 5000 nukes ! surly is USA a big threat to all others - thats why they r allowed to do all the bs they do , every1 is afraid of USA (not only in military terms, but also political and economical terms). In europe most people just dont like how arrogant and selfish USA acts (and mates who were over there told me that big parts of population in USA is also selfish and arrogant (but surly non of u ladderrites belong into this group )).
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Post by notagoodname on Sept 23, 2006 20:29:01 GMT -5
Iran is what Americans call Persia Tommy. The poll is whether Persia or the US are a bigger threat, doesn't refer to Iraq. "how can a totaly cripled, kinda bombed to stoneage country be a danger to world stability?" That does still apply though
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Post by tommynt on Sept 24, 2006 12:25:56 GMT -5
Iran is no threat either, iran got nothing as plans to possibly build a nuke
1 nuke < 5000 nukes
and before they r succesful USA/UN/CIA whatever ll intervene and shoot irans dictator or whatever
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Post by whiplash on Sept 25, 2006 10:18:06 GMT -5
I hope so!
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Post by notagoodname on Nov 8, 2006 0:56:48 GMT -5
Well with the Bush administration now neutered by the democrats win, i no longer feel America is a threat to world peace.
There is no way he can start another unpopular war now.
*sigh of releif*
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Post by whiplash on Nov 8, 2006 9:16:30 GMT -5
Yeah, we'll have to wait 2 years. ;D
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Post by alice on Nov 8, 2006 14:16:06 GMT -5
hehehe whiplash says " cry havoc, and unleash the dogs...."
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Post by mrgametheory on Nov 9, 2006 12:21:29 GMT -5
I think when that poll was conducted they were focusing on the fact that I am generally part of the American population and I take occasional visits to Iran....
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