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Post by whiplash on Nov 10, 2005 8:23:25 GMT -5
Is there any day where you are not? ;D
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Mo_D
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Post by Mo_D on Nov 10, 2005 9:36:10 GMT -5
I'm a peaceful builder at heart.
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reptile
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Post by reptile on Nov 10, 2005 10:00:57 GMT -5
Mali is my favourite one, too. First of all, because the skirmishers are the best anti-chariot unit. Then they can also pillage like no-one else in the early game. Thirdly, they also make me change civics more often (i have a psychological barrier against anarchy, lol). And the financial trait is my favourite one, anyway.
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Mo_D
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Post by Mo_D on Nov 10, 2005 10:13:06 GMT -5
I'd have to say my favorite overall leader so far is Catherine. Best trait combo IMO and cossacks rock too.
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Post by zzZhenon on Nov 10, 2005 12:23:12 GMT -5
Having the most fun with China's Qin shin bang (or whatever).... those chinese xbowmen are great and the traits ROCK! Very easy to tech and build up with this leader, then to go attack your neighbors with cho ku nu, macemen & 'phants.
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Post by Vermillion on Nov 10, 2005 12:50:32 GMT -5
I like ghandi probably the best, but for some reason Ive had alot of luck with Louis (believe it or not) who doesn't really get a relig. or a UU in an anc. start, but does very well none the less. In an anc. game Rome w/ iron is vicious , but one heck of a gamble (IMO). If they have iron, they are almost guaranteed a kill (depending on skill level of player of course). All in all, they are all powerful in their own right depending on land , player skill and resources of course.
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Post by ghost on Nov 11, 2005 0:31:00 GMT -5
rome is the one civ i hate seeing in ancient games. there uu is very strong and u got to choke them early or before they hook that iron to keep them slowed down. axemen don't really do to well vs romes uu. so your best chance is getting crossbowa to counter them. if rome is close choke them early and often. and keep them busy while u are discovery machinary. cause thats the only way u can battle rome's uu in a even fight (unless u got ivroy near by, warelephants rock)
gandhi has to be my fav civ and leader to play as. spi/indus is very strong and u can get budda very early depending on land. and them 3 move workers are very nice to have. cheap forgues and temples r very nice combo and throwing in them cheap wonders also helps out alot.
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Post by whiplash on Nov 14, 2005 7:00:14 GMT -5
What would be very helpful to CIV4 noobs is if Fried or some other playtester would post a suggested research route for each Leader to leverage traits and/or UU and/or civic. I realize the perfect path depends on the map; but I would like to know what tech(s) to target down the road. What tech is valuable to maximize Economic, for example.
We have the tech tree; but it takes a lot of study to figure out the affects and benefits of the later techs. In SP I find myself studying the tech tree and the stuff on the back of the sheet in order to plan a research path. This can't be done in MP as there is no time for that.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 14, 2005 7:10:39 GMT -5
Well Whip, I try not to duplicate the stuff I put in the strategy guide too much. Honestly - I've said it before, I'll say it again - this strat guide does NOT suck, because I put a lot of time, effort and thinking into the articles in it. Check it out. Maybe I'll hold a tournament and send out an autographed one as a prize. ;D Would anyone be up for that?
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Post by whiplash on Nov 14, 2005 9:07:36 GMT -5
Well Whip, I try not to duplicate the stuff I put in the strategy guide too much. Honestly - I've said it before, I'll say it again - this strat guide does NOT suck, because I put a lot of time, effort and thinking into the articles in it. Check it out. Maybe I'll hold a tournament and send out an autographed one as a prize. ;D Would anyone be up for that? Did I say anything around here sucks? Maybe I'm asking for too much detail; or maybe I'm too lazy to study the stuff myself. But here's an example: From Fried: Roosevelt - Industrial/Organized Roosevelt's trait combination is fairly flexibile; Industrial is strongest in the early game where forges are cheap (what is the quickest tech path to forges?) ( and wonders (generally) are more potent (which ones are best for Roosevelt?) , and Organized is obviously stronger later in the game, where more high-cost civics are available (which civics and what is the path?) . SEALs are very potent units for their ability to "just keep coming" - a large stack of SEALs can effectively guard each other as they heal, strong covering for weak. Since they're also anti-siege, they fear artillery less. I don't think I'm any different from any other CIV4 noob, the tech tree is a challenge to grasp in all it's complexity and relationships. I'm just trying to climb the learning curve faster.
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Post by MMV on Nov 14, 2005 9:51:02 GMT -5
when it's time to "research" a menu comes up offering everything I'm able to research - it also suggests the two best research options available at that time.
By holding your cursor on these menu research items (both the suggested ones and the rest) it says specifically what this item gives you, and also what it leads to.
This, in conjunction with the research tree pretty well points the way.
(although I don't understand "banking" allowing you to research "gunpowder" - unless they are suggesting "armed robbery" lol)!
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Post by whiplash on Nov 14, 2005 9:59:17 GMT -5
It's the military/industrial complex.
I know you can get info for the next research choices; but that doesn't point you to the best target down the road. For that you need to know the path. I think the recommendations are designed for SP and don't reflect your map.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 14, 2005 17:59:11 GMT -5
Sorry Whip! I wasn't saying that YOU said the strat guide sucked - just that a lot of people automatically assume published guide = the sux0r.
I'm kinda flattered that you actually read/quoted it, though. Hehehe.
Let me get back to you about that article; maybe you can put together a list of questions like you were starting to do there and I can answer them and publish it up.
Good questions, by the way.
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Post by Onan on Nov 15, 2005 3:13:05 GMT -5
Whip, to answer your easiest question, "What is the quickest tech path to forges?" Well, you can answer it better yourself just by clicking directly on metal casting on f6, even if you're far from it, it will automatically queue all the techs you need to get there, and you can get some sense of how long it will take. You may not want to go the direct route, as the techs will take longer to research (they're shorter if you spread your researches around on different tech lines). But I believe you need the metals path (mining bronze & iron...or can you get there without iron?) as well as pottery.
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Post by ghost on Nov 15, 2005 4:20:38 GMT -5
whip u want a fast way to forgues here it is.
u need mining/bronze working/ wheel/ fishing or agriculture one of them needed to get pottery then metal casting. thats the fastest route to forgues but bear in mind if you do metal casting so early it will take u 18 to 20 turns to just discover it.
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Mo_D
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Post by Mo_D on Nov 15, 2005 15:33:15 GMT -5
Not if you go for it with the Oracle.
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Post by Vermillion on Nov 15, 2005 16:23:04 GMT -5
A wise man he is.
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Post by ghost on Nov 15, 2005 18:41:24 GMT -5
Not if you go for it with the Oracle. i use that tatic in every game so far mo (oracle for metalcasting). just didn't wanted to hold his hand and walk him cross the street. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Onan on Nov 15, 2005 22:12:42 GMT -5
Yep, the Oracle to metal casting can be a real bitch for your neighbors. Especially if you're Industrious...which of course makes building the Oracle that much easier....
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Post by ghost on Nov 16, 2005 9:41:05 GMT -5
india makes it even easier to get the oracle then any other civ. them fast workers are great. plus being able to get to priesthood and bronze working faster then any other civ cause of starting with mining and myst.
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