Arvcran
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Post by Arvcran on Nov 6, 2006 23:09:25 GMT -5
First, no matter what anyone thinks of MLL, it is not proper to call him out in a public forum such as this. We could very easily be having this conversation without throwing him under the bus. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- I am sick and tired of the public flogging of ladder members, inside and outside of games. If you have a problem with someone, bring it up to them in private and try to resolve it. If you can't, take it to the admins in private. The forums, the lobby, staging rooms, and in-game chat are not the places to be talking crap about people. I second that! It's simple, be respectful of other players.
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Post by ironclad on Nov 7, 2006 0:44:14 GMT -5
I initiate a ban on MLL, anyone 2nd my vote?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 7, 2006 1:36:21 GMT -5
Yes I agree wit mookie, it was not the way to bring this issue to light but making allegations against another player in the forums. But as CV is new I'll give him his one free screw up As to the issue, CV is right that many players do not give the ladder a good name like they are suppose to be doing. Even if it is a teamer and you are trying to make even teams atleast you can be polite about it and inform the new player why he can't play in your team game. It costs nothing to be polite. As to MLL, well his lack of sportsmenship is rather legendary but I'm assuming by the lack of emails with screenshots that most people that are playing with him are willing to put up with his demeanor. I've always expected peer pressure to deal with some issues like this, but it a player is really having a huge negative effect on the image of the ladder I'd assume that people would want official help changing that. A small vacation from civing has been known to change peoples attitudes a bit. CS
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Post by mrsaturn on Nov 7, 2006 4:10:30 GMT -5
If you have a problem with someone, bring it up to them in private and try to resolve it. If you can't, take it to the admins in private. The forums, the lobby, staging rooms, and in-game chat are not the places to be talking crap about people. Exactly, and yet this is exactly what MLL does- talk crap and smack in the game and staging room. Again, bullying a host into kicking someone out of a non-passworded game is inexcusable. This has nothing to do with keeping new players out of passworded elite teamers.
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Post by Lestat on Nov 7, 2006 7:26:04 GMT -5
First, no matter what anyone thinks of MLL, it is not proper to call him out in a public forum such as this. We could very easily be having this conversation without throwing him under the bus. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- I am sick and tired of the public flogging of ladder members, inside and outside of games. If you have a problem with someone, bring it up to them in private and try to resolve it. If you can't, take it to the admins in private. The forums, the lobby, staging rooms, and in-game chat are not the places to be talking crap about people. I second that! It's simple, be respectful of other players. How to be respectful to he/she when he/she is not respectful to others.
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Post by Lestat on Nov 7, 2006 7:28:28 GMT -5
I initiate a ban on MLL, anyone 2nd my vote? Hip hip huray ;D
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Post by Lestat on Nov 7, 2006 7:32:41 GMT -5
If you have a problem with someone, bring it up to them in private and try to resolve it. If you can't, take it to the admins in private. The forums, the lobby, staging rooms, and in-game chat are not the places to be talking crap about people. Exactly, and yet this is exactly what MLL does- talk crap and smack in the game and staging room. Again, bullying a host into kicking someone out of a non-passworded game is inexcusable. This has nothing to do with keeping new players out of passworded elite teamers. Agree and in meantime when he/she wating for host to kick cv he told cv reta**d.
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Post by Bantams on Nov 7, 2006 7:43:13 GMT -5
If you have a problem with someone, bring it up to them in private and try to resolve it. If you can't, take it to the admins in private. The forums, the lobby, staging rooms, and in-game chat are not the places to be talking crap about people. Exactly, and yet this is exactly what MLL does- talk crap and smack in the game and staging room. Again, bullying a host into kicking someone out of a non-passworded game is inexcusable. This has nothing to do with keeping new players out of passworded elite teamers. Well if I was the Host and someone TOLD ME to kick anyone from the game the guy telling me who to boot would be the first one out Was the HOST so scared of MLL or something or was the HOST just as "slowed" as MLL? Either way best the host Pwds the game in future Oh and CV pm me anytime if im in a teamer with a pw ill let you come in
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Post by ironclad on Nov 7, 2006 10:06:06 GMT -5
ive seen this happen on occasions the cap who cares so much about losing, will look at who the worst player in the room is since he gets the fatkid, if hes noob he leaves or demands a kick
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Arvcran
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Post by Arvcran on Nov 7, 2006 10:14:51 GMT -5
I second that! It's simple, be respectful of other players. How to be respectful to he/she when he/she is not respectful to others. Yes - it is more difficult - but we need to set the example. How can we expect some to behave respectfully if we berate other players ourselves? Talking to an individual in private goes a long way to showing respect to them - in my experience it has proved to be fruitful. At least where their attitude towards me is in question. One also has to take into account that it is not easy to interpret 'tone' when reading IRC chat in games they may be using abusive language but the intent is not necessarily to abuse. Although I have seen some pretty convincing material myself.
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Post by Lestat on Nov 7, 2006 10:27:54 GMT -5
Remember the purpose of CIV / Warlords is enjoyment, entertainment, and hobby!
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Post by Arvcran on Nov 7, 2006 10:29:30 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is some players put more effort into their skill development than others do. By this I mean that some players are more seriously involved in this hobby of playing CIV. They are competitive and although they play for the enjoyment, they put emphasis on being elite players and take it to another level of seriousness.
Just remember that their are also varying degrees of maturity out there - some are late teens, others early twenties, while others are old farts like me.
I can't emphasize enough how important treating players with respect really is. Being a recipient of being ripped to shreds by an experienced high ranked player by a new enthusiastic player to the ladder is very damaging to that individual and potentially his or her being an asset to our community. Not forgetting the injuring of a person who now may be ripping his or her neighbor, wife or children, as a result of the humiliation and anger created by a disrespectful individual.
I would encourage severe punishment for any behavior that tarnishes the enjoyment of the league games and culture. But I would rather see players modify their treatment of less experienced players and encourage them to fit in with good healthy competition ;-).
Perhaps a blurb somewhere in the ladder rules about elite cliques and new players is warranted - I don't know.
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Post by Arvcran on Nov 7, 2006 10:33:03 GMT -5
Remember the purpose of CIV / Warlords is enjoyment, entertainment, and hobby! *chuckle* yes ... I did put that in my profile ;-).
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Post by Arvcran on Nov 7, 2006 10:36:07 GMT -5
ive seen this happen on occasions the cap who cares so much about losing, will look at who the worst player in the room is since he gets the fatkid, if hes noob he leaves or demands a kick Best way to allow new players to join the crowd of 'accepted players' is to bring 2 at a time for one per team :-). The benefit here of course is increasing the number of players that are 'known' and available to stage games increasing, in my view, the fun and games potential - right?
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Post by mrgametheory on Nov 7, 2006 15:14:39 GMT -5
Its just Karma, I generally boot MLL from teamers because hes not good enough
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Post by Atomation on Nov 7, 2006 17:06:02 GMT -5
Its just Karma, I generally boot MLL from teamers because hes not good enough Totally For the record, my exact words were something like, paraphrased, "come on this guy probably has like 10% win, it wouldn't be fair". And I wasn't too far off. What all of you guys are failing to realize is that it's in the best interest both of the rest of the players in the game *and* cv himself not to be included. Just because I don't have time to send him a handwritten card and a carepackage expressing my condolences doesn't mean I have the intent of being rude about it. He would just die in about 10 turns and no one would have any fun, and he wouldn't even learn anything out of the ordeal. The best place to learn is in a CTON or 1x1 - that's how I started and this is how I'd recommend you all start. It's easier to see your mistakes when you are the only one on your team, and thus easier to improve, and easier to read what people have written on strategy forums and make sense of it.
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Post by Arvcran on Nov 8, 2006 1:06:45 GMT -5
I remember my first teamer .... in Ren ... I think Mookie was behind me and I was a front guy .... Mookie was an excellent communicator (probably still is :-) ). If he had had the wrong attitude and cussed at me things may have been different. But I managed to stay alive partly due to my skill but mostly because of the direction of an experienced player skilled at communicating.
I learned a great deal from that one game! I was subsequently accepted into the 'elite' crowd just because someone or someones gave me the chance. (I can just imagine the come backs now - hehe)
If I am not mistaken Wilburn was the Captain - he was a superb captain probably the best I have seen in all the teamers I have played. There was team synergy - no player berating, communication was constructive and encouraging. The way teamers aught to be played!
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Post by tommynt on Nov 8, 2006 4:07:31 GMT -5
My opinion is that host should have asked mll to leave rather then kick others.
Obviously mll didnt want to play with these guys, so she should have been the one leaving as others were 1. .
Apart the use of offensive words, which isnt breaking rules by definition of admins who does that themself, mll did not break any rules imo.
If i join a game and dont like some players in there i just leave, guess others do same. If u want a decent player only teamer just host yourself! In end it s all up to host
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Post by deviousdevil on Nov 8, 2006 18:01:19 GMT -5
There was team synergy - no player berating, communication was constructive and encouraging. The way teamers aught to be played! Ah, that is the way it always is...till things go to hell in a handbasket ;D
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Post by DrShot on Nov 8, 2006 23:07:31 GMT -5
I know of one player that has died in each of the last three team matches we both were in....no, not me, as dead men tell no tales
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