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Post by lordelgis on Aug 16, 2006 13:47:42 GMT -5
I did file a nonreport(my 2nd in my 1350 games). Usually I can get a report from someone but after he admitted to owing me a report he still did not do it. Others have had trouble with him as well(they can come forward if they wish). Sorry for sounding off in the forums but i kept it clean and i got my report. Also I helped him get that streak by allowing him to not report untill his streak was ended(I still have not gotten that report). I know this breaks the rules but i was being nice to him and then the next time I beat him he does not want to report as well. This is establishing a pattern and that is why i posted him as a nonreporter. I have let too many ppl not report and that will now change. I used to give one free nonreport per player but not anymore. I will demand that ppl follow the rules of the ladder from now on. Once again I am sorry Canuck.
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Post by lordelgis on Aug 16, 2006 14:31:33 GMT -5
I am back again!! Anyone who questions weather or not i speak the truth on this matter please read +87 win streak by donny who is he thread. I was in that game with slaughter and i was in 2nd place. Everyone reported but silkk/donny. I personally will not play with him anymore I dont need that kind of frustration from a stat monger. Now I'll get off my soapbox. ;D
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Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 16, 2006 14:32:33 GMT -5
Don't stress about it, LE, I seen your report today, but it will be another 48hrs before I assess whether I need to act on it. Which is the SOP. My comments were not aimed specifically just at you, but at everyone.
Cheers CS
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Post by MMV on Aug 17, 2006 4:35:21 GMT -5
Also I helped him get that streak by allowing him to not report untill his streak was ended that's a no-no. bad.
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Post by lordelgis on Aug 17, 2006 8:32:29 GMT -5
Did I not admit that in the next sentence? Anyway that does not change the fact that his streak is bogus and so is he.
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Post by MMV on Aug 17, 2006 21:53:11 GMT -5
Yes, you did - however:
Game Specific Rules 15. GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP: The basic premise of the ladder is to facilitate players finding each other, who are devoted to Civilization IV, so they may compete in a sportsman-like manner. Our philosophy is play hard, but play fairly. It is NOT winning at any cost. Any player exploiting game deficiencies as determined by the Admin Team risk expulsion or severe penalties.
Expected Behavior Cheating : It goes without saying that we won't stand for cheating of any kind. This includes, but is not limited to, breaking rules, using modified executables, reporting false results, or otherwise tampering with Ladder rankings.
Tampering with ladder stats by willingly NOT filing a non-report is a clear rules violation - intentional stat manipulation.
It's good for you to come forward and for what it's worth, I applaud you for finally doing so - BUT, I think you don't understand the consequences of intentionally "allowing" the person to not report. It's a rules violation in the same capacity as allowing someone "in the box" today to play with the promise of him reporting when he gets out of the box.
It hurts others, it hurts the game, it hurts the ladder.
Personally (but never having been in your position) - I would have followed ladder rules and notified an admin via email (even at this late point) instead of posting in a public thread over it.
Perhaps you can get an admin to delete/move this forum topic or you could delete your own posts.
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Post by lordelgis on Aug 18, 2006 11:05:08 GMT -5
So let the ladder penalize me then. At least i come forward and admit it MMV. Many cheaters and stat h00rs do not. So how about you climb off of me and take your lawyer skills elsewhere.
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Post by MMV on Aug 18, 2006 19:16:48 GMT -5
Makes no difference to me - you're the one that helped someone manipulate ladder stats.
"Stepping-out" and admitting it doesn't exonerate you from what you did.
Some people would think you are no better than the person who you helped; some people would think different.
Some people would be right.
Enjoy your fame.
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Post by sausageface on Aug 19, 2006 0:58:59 GMT -5
Elgis. ur too nice. ur getting punished for trying to please everyone i see both sides of the argument, but i cant imagine elgis actively breaking the rules, and it seems was asked by someone else to do so, and didnt want to say no. A much needed post however regarding non reporters...i almost expect a non report now from any player with less than 20 games.
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Post by lordelgis on Aug 19, 2006 8:59:04 GMT -5
So true Sausageface!! another nonreport last night from a player with less than 20 games. I wonder how many are actual new players and how many are pseudonyms for a more established player.
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Post by grilla on Dec 27, 2006 19:59:48 GMT -5
Speaking of non reports. I am brand new to the ladder this week. I have had 3 players not report to me and when i sent an email to them two of the players removed themselves from the ladder. A third i am waiting on the 72 hour period from the administrator. Also, I was treated fairly shabbily by a few players calling me a Noob , and not in nice terms. I believe if the ladder is a place where we can have fair play and sportsmanship, these tendencies to snoot the new guy on the block should be looked at by all players who see this kind of behavior. grilla57 " it's a good day to die"
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Post by grimarch on Jan 9, 2007 16:06:19 GMT -5
Sadly there are a few players out there who do not treat new players very well.
The only thing i can recommend is to ask about the level of the players you are playing against and inform the team leader that you are not one of the experienced players.
The issue i am afraid is that a good game is often ruined by an inexperienced player doing something "stupid". This then means the game has to be restarted. However i do stress to all the good ladder players that people need to learn, simply saying "gg" and leaving the game before someone dies is not very good, you know who you are!
One way to suggest is to get ladder players to have one so called inexpereinced player per team who can choose a civ while the others go random.
Anyway dont give up everyone is a noob to start with except for Noobhorn!
Grim
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 22, 2007 17:00:38 GMT -5
Starting today Longhorn is taking over non-reports from myself, don't worry I'll be finishing my backlog in the next week, and he will do them until the 4th of May, at which time Audrien will take over. Please give them the same support you gave me.
I will also soon be making a change in the ladder policy on non-report penalties based on the feedback we received from the ladder members here.
CS
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Post by ichiroz5r1 on May 1, 2007 21:21:52 GMT -5
What if the person that you played will not report because it was your first ladder game.(which i pwn'd at). No one will play me because i am unranked and Tamim respond to me after i told him to report the loss.
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Post by Canucksoldier on May 1, 2007 21:53:18 GMT -5
What if the person that you played will not report because it was your first ladder game.(which i pwn'd at). No one will play me because i am unranked and Tamim respond to me after i told him to report the loss. Click on the Unreported Match link on he left side of the main ladder page, and tell your story. CS
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Post by rudi676 on Jun 25, 2007 4:34:37 GMT -5
soooo, perhaps, if u want new players to know what to do, just if u really want, u should change the ladder rules...there is explained that u should report immediately after the match and that u r not allowed to play matches with unreported ones. And i havent read anything about any 24hours rules, so perhaps u should add this there cause not everyone reads forums.
It is not funny if u are ranked 30, win against a rank 7 player, and get his report 4 days later when he's just rank 100...but many people seem to use this "rule" to enhance their winning streaks...
I used to report every game direct aftr the match, what took about 2-3 minutes, but if its like that, i think about reporting to people who take their time as late as they do...
Its not the work of a winning player to run after his reports, its the work of the loosing one to do them, and what is so difficult to take 2 minutes to report the winning players?
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Post by tamijo on Jun 25, 2007 5:47:18 GMT -5
;D The absolutely most funny thing i'we read in the forums for quite a while. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Ohh, what a joke someone wants justice
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Post by MMV on Jun 25, 2007 7:09:08 GMT -5
soooo, perhaps, if u want new players to know what to do, just if u really want, u should change the ladder rules...there is explained that u should report immediately after the match and that u r not allowed to play matches with unreported ones. And i havent read anything about any 24hours rules, so perhaps u should add this there cause not everyone reads forums you could read this - www.myleague.com/civ4players/or - even send a new ladder player to the same place if he doesn't believe you Reporting the Match Once your game is completed the loser of the match is responsible for reporting it as soon as possible. You can report your matches using the "Report Loss" link located in the left hand frame. Here are some things to remember regarding reporting your lossesand... Report Immediately: Losses are to be reported immediately after a game is completed…before any further Ladder matches are started. Not reporting promptly will result in penaltyand - Unreported Matches : Most unreported matches are a simple case of forgetfulness on the part of your opponent. If your opponent has not reported your match within an hour of the match you should send them a friendly E-mail reminder to post. In most cases this is all that is needed to get them to post If they still have not posted an hour after your E-mail reminder and you see them online playing other matches you should follow the SUPPORT link and submit an unreported match claim against them. Ladder staff will handle the situation from there for youOddly, I found these rules actually "HIDDEN" on the main ladder page, in the left hand column cleverly titled "RULES"
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 25, 2007 10:10:45 GMT -5
soooo, perhaps, if u want new players to know what to do, just if u really want, u should change the ladder rules...there is explained that u should report immediately after the match and that u r not allowed to play matches with unreported ones. And i havent read anything about any 24hours rules, so perhaps u should add this there cause not everyone reads forums. It is not funny if u are ranked 30, win against a rank 7 player, and get his report 4 days later when he's just rank 100...but many people seem to use this "rule" to enhance their winning streaks... I used to report every game direct aftr the match, what took about 2-3 minutes, but if its like that, i think about reporting to people who take their time as late as they do... Its not the work of a winning player to run after his reports, its the work of the loosing one to do them, and what is so difficult to take 2 minutes to report the winning players? As MMV has pointed out the Rules of the ladder are easy to find, and I might add that your activation email from Civ4players politely asks every new member to read the rules. CS
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Post by rudi676 on Jun 25, 2007 10:20:14 GMT -5
As MMV has pointed out the Rules of the ladder are easy to find, and I might add that your activation email from Civ4players politely asks every new member to read the rules.
Where stands anything about 24 hours? there just stands that u should report direct after match and before starting other matches...and noone tells me to register or ready any forums...thats what i mean
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