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Dec 11, 2005 14:21:50 GMT -5
Post by sobela on Dec 11, 2005 14:21:50 GMT -5
This rule really needs to be addressed this is getting out of hand, i yet to file nonreports yet as it would just backlog the system but there are us who know rule report to all left alive or ahead in pts. But it seems with the rash of new eager ladder players they seem to believe they only need to report to those who killed them no death no report, this is totally out of control we cant have people just reporting how they feel. Soon you will have divided ladder one who you know report and a ladder of nonreporters
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Dec 11, 2005 15:57:16 GMT -5
Post by Sidhe on Dec 11, 2005 15:57:16 GMT -5
I do believe much of this is done in ignorance. I send an email reminding them of the rules and asking them to check out the rule section of this forum if they are in any doubt. If nothing is forthcoming after that, I usually send an email saying I'm gonna file a non report in 24 hrs. If they don't want to abide by the rules then report them, might create a bit of work for the admins, but I'm sure they'd rather that than have players abusing the system and thinking that the rules don't apply to them.
If they feel they don't have to report unless killed, what's to stop them from not reporting when they quit? And in that case just quitting when they get a bad break.
I still find a good way of getting reports is to confront them in the lobby or even better the staging room and ask why they haven't reported. They'll have a hard time getting a game until they report. I've yet to file a non report myself. So it seems to work, although there are some players who play one or two ladder games and then never play again that I'd of liked reports from, but what can you do?
In summation have patience with the noobs who are a little unsure of how it works but report the incorrigible non reporters, the incidents of report chasing will then go down, if that still doesn't work for someone then spread the word that they don't report whenever you see them. You can't name and shame them in here, but in the lobby they're fair game.
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Dec 11, 2005 18:17:49 GMT -5
Post by Random on Dec 11, 2005 18:17:49 GMT -5
I am owed more than 40 reports and they are not all noobs... Good thing rank and stats are just random numbers.
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Dec 12, 2005 14:35:59 GMT -5
Post by Sidhe on Dec 12, 2005 14:35:59 GMT -5
Wow that sucks! I just bug people alot, works for me. This is gonna sound patronising but shouldn't you be reporting these people, like regularly? Remember the future debacle when people decided dropping was OK and they didn't need to report. Honestly what's so hard about reporting your losses? I know the people who read these things are usually pretty conscientious and so It probably does no good highlighting this problem here. But just report people!! In case your wondering what I mean, I mean both meanings and do it as a matter of course,report to those who beat you as promptly as you can. Also report the non reporters, when people know you'll badger them every time they don't report they'll likely think twice about doing it again. It may seem like a hassle at first, but in the long run you'll be doing this less so it saves effort. Lecture over I sometimes wonder whether people have any clue what honour actually means or they just decide to sidestep it and assume that no one'll notice?
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Dec 25, 2005 19:50:31 GMT -5
Post by polarnomad on Dec 25, 2005 19:50:31 GMT -5
This rule really needs to be addressed this is getting out of hand, i yet to file nonreports yet as it would just backlog the system but there are us who know rule report to all left alive or ahead in pts. But it seems with the rash of new eager ladder players they seem to believe they only need to report to those who killed them no death no report, this is totally out of control we cant have people just reporting how they feel. Soon you will have divided ladder one who you know report and a ladder of nonreporters I'm new and a little uncertain about who I should be reporting losses to... If I understand correctly, in the situation where: 1) I am eliminated and other players remain: I report a loss to all that remain after I am eliminated. 2) Someone fulfills a victory requirement: I report a loss to all of those who have a higher score than me? or just the victor? Are there any other situations I should be aware of? I read through the rules earlier today, before I played my first ladder game, but the loss report issue is still somewhat vague for me. For instance, for games where there are more than 2 players, something was mentioned about reporting losses in order of rank...
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Dec 25, 2005 20:59:35 GMT -5
Post by Sidhe on Dec 25, 2005 20:59:35 GMT -5
First of all I'd like to say welcome to the ladder, and glad you enjoyed the experience. As a ladder player I've always tried to be helpful both in the lobby and staging rooms and in game, spent five minutes explaining how the scoring system works in the lobby today. Always glad to help and always gald to give away as many of those trade secrets as possible to those who ask. Especially because I'm learning these the hard way myself. We're all new to this experience, and I'm glad players are taking the time to look at the rules before you start playing. It's not the noobs we're moaning at at all, I'm glad to explain the rules when asking for a report - you can see when a player has only a few games to his name - even more glad to see someone who's read them before they start to play. I think what this thread is about is those who know the rules but chose to a) ignore them because they think only reporting to those who kill you is appropriate or b) chose to ignore them because they think they can get away with it and besides honour is a mere inconvenience c) lame asses who think extending there streak or rank etc, etc somehow means anything to anyone anywhere, we know the people who do this, we know the good players, please really Reporting losses in order of rank is only really applicable if you're high ranked I.e top 10, it really doesn't make too much difference otherwise. But if you want to feel free to report in order of rank. Reporting promptly is a good idea too Delaying a report 'til the next day cause you forgot or it was a teamer and you died before the result was known it's okay. Habitually delaying to preserve your stats is easily spotted by all, and likely to earn you a black mark in the eyes of the more honourable players. Once again welcome to the ladder, and feel free to ask any questions about the game in the strategy section. Hell you might even like to read it Oh and try to avoid the rule judges as well, yes there's no team chat in a cton but saying damn I'm toast gg xxx is not really a breach of cton rules If you die report to all left in the game: if you last till the end of the game report to all who have a higher score than you. Since in all but ladder epics the only victory condition that can be met is conquest, that's all you need to know.
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Dec 26, 2005 2:32:50 GMT -5
Post by polarnomad on Dec 26, 2005 2:32:50 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome, and for the clarification.
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Dec 26, 2005 8:32:23 GMT -5
Post by polarnomad on Dec 26, 2005 8:32:23 GMT -5
If you die report to all left in the game: if you last till the end of the game report to all who have a higher score than you. Since in all but ladder epics the only victory condition that can be met is conquest, that's all you need to know. Now, I'm confused... In my last game I was playing in a CTON against 3 others. At the time victory I came in 3rd, and reported a loss to the 1st and 2nd players. The 4th player should have reported a loss to me according to what you're saying. I was going to send a polite reminder to the last player, but I decided to double-check the rules (to verify if there is any reference as to how much time should elapse before doing so), and found the following under "Who to Report to": "In 'free for all' matches…or matches in which multiple opponents are all competing against each other without partners each of the losers of the match reports a loss to the one overall winner."So which is correct?
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Dec 26, 2005 8:58:01 GMT -5
Post by whiplash on Dec 26, 2005 8:58:01 GMT -5
When you click on the rules button at myleague you get a "blend" of generic Case's rules and enhancements provided by the ladder admin's.
The protcol on the ladder has always been in FFA's or cton's that each player reports to every player with a higher score when the game is over. Dead players report to all players still alive at the time of death.
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Dec 26, 2005 9:04:16 GMT -5
Post by polarnomad on Dec 26, 2005 9:04:16 GMT -5
Ok, thx. So I will go ahead and send the reminder. Is there any way this issue could be clarified in the rules so that other new players do not get confused like me? Could this also be one of the reasons some of you are not getting all your loss reports?
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Dec 26, 2005 17:37:31 GMT -5
Post by Canucksoldier on Dec 26, 2005 17:37:31 GMT -5
It is already is really, at the start of the Civ4players specific rules it states that if there is a conflict between Cases generic rules and the C4P specific rules then the C4P rules take presendence. Cases is basically a system designed for 1v1 games that we have modified via our rules to suit the way we play MP games, so ifyou have played in other Cases/Myleagues you will find that we operate alot differently here, but on the flip side we are one of the most successful Myleagues that Cases has, and we have a very good relationship with Cases management.
CS
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Dec 26, 2005 21:29:12 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Dec 26, 2005 21:29:12 GMT -5
you guys gonna give yourself heart attacks!!
No need to stress over something so small!!
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