[KC]Bopper
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Nov 11, 2007 12:35:23 GMT -5
On behalf of myself and the KC clan, I'd like to thank all the TD's and organizers for a great CCC! I know that it's a massive/thankless job but THANKS FOLKS!
To the new clans XXX, APB and ComPWNED I'd like to say welcome to the CCC! It's nice to see some new clans around and meet some new talent. I hope you had a blast in our little ol' tourney! I'm looking forward to seeing more of your players in regular ladder games and getting to know y'all.
To all the 'Old Timer' Clans, congratulations on some excellent game play! Good job everyone, and now it's time to get some sleep!
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[KC]Bopper
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Nov 12, 2007 3:44:14 GMT -5
Sorry folks, but I have a small question or two: Why do all of the members of the clans ComPWNED and APB appear either as unranked or with game stats that show only 1 or 2 games played? Are these clans full of brand new players? That would seem strange to jump right into a valid CCC with all novice players. Or have they all just changed their names in the last few days? That would also seem strange and not really in the spirit of the CCC. I'm very sorry if I appear naive about these things, but I question the ethics involved if there is any shady business regarding our tournaments. Perhaps not every clan can sweep the CCC on a regular basis, but when a point or two is granted, it should actually mean something imo. Can anyone shed some light on this situation? Or should I just go back to shoveling some actual manure.
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 12, 2007 3:53:48 GMT -5
Maybe they're from other ladders/communities? There is a French ladder, and Poland has their own ladder IIRC. Maybe some others.
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Post by MMV on Nov 12, 2007 7:23:27 GMT -5
could be.......... could be
but the only one who played from that clan (ComPWNED) was God of Civ (aka francis in these forums) aka rokkit.
he came from within.
he's done it before.
Consequently, he directly robbed ONE of the CCC clan of 5 points before being caught.
The difference? Clans who placed 2-5 would have had different standings, and indeed - who know's what the overall outcome could/would have been had this player not used a false-name via duplicate accounts.
Without that fake clan and a player with an intentional second ladder account, there would have been a different seeding in that game (and others) before he was caught, totally throwing a curve into all of the subsequent CCC games - and perhaps MUD could have won.
Who knows? ALL bad.
If he had GOOD intentions, all he had to was change his name, not create a new one with the other still existing.
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Post by metallian on Nov 12, 2007 10:43:12 GMT -5
could be.......... could be but the only one who played from that clan (ComPWNED) was God of Civ (aka francis in these forums) aka rokkit. he came from within. he's done it before. Consequently, he directly robbed ONE of the CCC clan of 5 points before being caught. The difference? Clans who placed 2-5 would have had different standings, and indeed - who know's what the overall outcome could/would have been had this player not used a false-name via duplicate accounts. Without that fake clan and a player with an intentional second ladder account, there would have been a different seeding in that game (and others) before he was caught, totally throwing a curve into all of the subsequent CCC games - and perhaps MUD could have won. Who knows? ALL bad. If he had GOOD intentions, all he had to was change his name, not create a new one with the other still existing. And no one cares but you MMV and some other KC members. XXX won the CCC fair and square. Francis and GOD.OF.CIV aren't the same people because they played at the same time in the 1v1 event. There isn't one player on the ladder who could play two different civs games at once effectively. GOD.OF.CIV took 2nd in the 1v1, at least give the guy props instead of saying it's bs. As far as I know there wasn't any controversy in his wins. MMV you really need to take a long look what exactly you have contributing to the community other than posting useless spam on the forums. We need to be more constructive and think of better ways to improve the CCC.
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moineau
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Post by moineau on Nov 12, 2007 11:05:01 GMT -5
One more things (a Penny thought):
It didnt happened this CCC but what would be our sunday if a clan of something like 7 player was qualified playing only 2-3 event (because they havent lot of people) and wining one?
They would be able to register in maybe one event sunday and all the other would be f**ked.
More dramatics a big clan who would be able to play all event sunday missed the qualification due to this small clan.
Why not, not allow a clan to play sunday if he didnt play half event Friday/saturday? (i am not criticising XXX team, they far away played enought event, no problem, but as Penny said that would hurt a lot that it happen in a CCC)
What you think?
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axius
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Post by axius on Nov 12, 2007 11:38:03 GMT -5
If a tiny clan won 1 event and qualified for Sunday - big props to them, they deserve it, and it's not their problem that bigger clans sucked and couldn't score more than 8 points. If a big clan didn't qualify for Sunday for any reason - they should not be allowed to play on Sunday, they should disband.
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Post by penny on Nov 12, 2007 13:45:13 GMT -5
If a tiny clan won 1 event and qualified for Sunday - big props to them, they deserve it, and it's not their problem that bigger clans sucked and couldn't score more than 8 points. If a big clan didn't qualify for Sunday for any reason - they should not be allowed to play on Sunday, they should disband. I respect that, but le me rephrase the idea : 2 types of thing : - A clan has 7 Players, plays 7 events, XXX did; no problem. - A clan has X Players, Score only in one game, and qualify. THAT HAPPENED THIS CCC for KC (8 on Ironman). Perfect no problem. - A clan has 5 players (just to get the limit), 1 to 3 players play, tops 3 event (like 1v1, CTON and OCC) -That could have been the cas if GOD_OF_CIV scored in OCC final, it was a close one- Score enough point to get into Sunday. I think we could : - Enforce some event minimum limitation (not too high, I'm thinking 4 or 5, or perhaps one teamer at least- - Let them TURN DOWN the sunday place. --> There is absolutely no point having 4 additionnal Bye's on sunday, effectiviley making 4 teams waiting for nothing their whole sunday (that's up to 12 players doing nothing)
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Post by everybodysdarling on Nov 12, 2007 16:19:58 GMT -5
congrats to all admins and td's for a smoothly running CCC. you did a good job.
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Post by cryptococcus on Nov 12, 2007 18:00:01 GMT -5
To me it seems like Friday is jam packed, Saturday is dead slow, and Sunday is very busy.
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Post by Bantams on Nov 13, 2007 11:03:51 GMT -5
Sorry folks, but I have a small question or two: Why do all of the members of the clans ComPWNED and APB appear either as unranked or with game stats that show only 1 or 2 games played? Are these clans full of brand new players? That would seem strange to jump right into a valid CCC with all novice players. Or have they all just changed their names in the last few days? That would also seem strange and not really in the spirit of the CCC. I'm very sorry if I appear naive about these things, but I question the ethics involved if there is any shady business regarding our tournaments. Perhaps not every clan can sweep the CCC on a regular basis, but when a point or two is granted, it should actually mean something imo. Can anyone shed some light on this situation? Or should I just go back to shoveling some actual manure. I think inactive accounts should get purged after 40 days seems to me those Clans where full of all the "Inactive" ladder players hell anyone could have just registered a 20 man roster with 1 active player but they wouldnt have got far in the CCC regards winning the whole thing but maybe they win one - 2 ctons and yes it makes it unfair on other players and clans in a way then making what is really just a one man clan make it to Sunday because they are a great Cton player and 2 active clans then miss out i think the rules regards CCC Clans need changing to include at least 6 ACTIVE members in each Clan Roster!
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