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Post by zzZhenon on Nov 6, 2007 22:32:26 GMT -5
The only thing I agree with Mookie about is the Great Plains map.... we'd be better off with highlands, but that's almost as bad...
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Post by penny on Nov 7, 2007 3:00:35 GMT -5
I agree with your ideas Mookie. I have put some comments in that direction on CCAC, but seems a bit too short notice for this CCC. Donut is a bad map on CTON, I tend to believe there is less micro-management skills needed on this one. Nothing to look for really, next tile will be green anyway. what about the issue of planting on plain hill or keeping it for prod ? no wonder, everything's green And yes TBG Separated is the least interesting of all 3, We're gonna miss the epic TBG together that we had, start anywhere is not that bad neither, I would have backed it up as a sunday scenario (not as a replacement thoug)
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Post by 9iron9 on Nov 7, 2007 3:21:30 GMT -5
i think the anc start seperated should be played when everyone is struggling to sleep
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 7, 2007 5:47:22 GMT -5
Not if the mod is chosen as a permanent setting for the event. Several clans (LKT, MDR, KC I believe) insisted that Future should just be played as FRM. Others don't really care about the Future era in general and trust their judgement. If people who actually play Future outside of the CCC think that FRM is the way to go - sure why not? Oh rly? And why don't i see you playing FRM in ladder? Maybe it's because you don't play FRM in ladder? Doesn't it mean that this argument is total bulls hit? Besides, KC (and MUD) at least played in COT. LKT had one player in yesterday's FRM game (1 KC and 4 MUD there). I never saw MDR hosting an FRM game. So, maybe French clans are playing somewhere in their dreams or elsewhere, but they need to play a little more so someone will be able to claim that their opinion should matter. Also, i'm playing Future era and i don't trust judgement of anyone who designed such mod. It's imbalanced.
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 7, 2007 5:55:00 GMT -5
This game setting for the CCC is really messed up. Honestly, there are two decent choices here but we're currently stuck with a third that is just horrible. 1) Go back to start together top vs. bottom. 2) Use the game model that is played in about 90% of the teamers I see in the lobby -- start separated top vs. bottom with a ban on all civs that start with an ancient UU or a sword replacement UU (no Zulu, Egypt, Mali, Rome, Celts, etc.). That makes the start separated setting much more interesting and playable because it removes the ungodly Skirmisher / Jaguar chokefest that it is. You can start pretty much immediately next to someone on the other team and it's pretty ridiculous when you can start running in resource free UUs super early in the game. At least give everyone a fighting chance and make Civ choice something to think about rather than something that is automatic and obvious. I agree, we need something playable for Ancient. As it is now, you may as well put "Shuffle on" option in the rules. A CCC event on the Great Plains map? Are you serious? To whomever picked this map: do you have any idea how unbalanced it is? The right side of the map starts on grasslands with tons of forests and foods like corn and wheat and grassland deer! The left side of the map is entirely plains, flood plains, and cows with pretty much zero forests and a huge number of peaks. Not exactly my idea of fun and certainly not my idea of a fair competition. Whoever picks the map for CCC events clearly doesn't know even how they look. It's not the first weird choice
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 7, 2007 6:22:45 GMT -5
Yep and some people tend to speack less tried this new version. Iron was against regicide too but when he tried it with us yesterday, he changed his mind, try to do the same I played the latest version, in COT too. I'm not an armchair specialist. Ellestar at moment Future regicide is far away funnier than normal future because we have lot of more way of kill and possibilities of playing. More ways to kill - like (a) kill a king (b) kill a king? IMHO old future with a space victory was more fun, FRM is just too fast. I think, as in civ3 time, that a "continent" map is better than a boring inland sea, it give you more possibilities. For example? The fact that you can scout on land but it's effectively impossible to scout every point of a possible double move with transports on water? At moment Fractal works very well, we can make 4-5 city easily( sometimes more), we have always ressources, you can be 2vs1, on an island, 1vs2 etc... , lot of possibilities, and that's make it very fun. 4-5 cities lol. Boring. And i don't see how 1v2 is fun, ESPECIALLY FOR A TOURNAMENT. I mean, come on, if you want to have fun from weird and unfair starts, go and play ladder games in FRM (which you apparently don't play, at least in the last 1.5 weeks). For a TOURNAMENT, FAIR is more important than FUN. I hope you understand that concept. Besides, you're about the only such a weird guy who thinks that unfair is more fun. See the discussion about Anc settings, for example. It's still have some problems (about cruise for example) and we can make it funnier, Primax is working on it. Ah yes, by the way, please ban these stupid cruise missiles from CCC.
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Post by moineau on Nov 7, 2007 6:57:55 GMT -5
Well Ellestar if you dont like random, hard fight, new spirit and fun possibilities in game, please stop FRM and continue these boring ancient.
Here i amnot speaking about a boring game where: 1)warrior 2)Worker as soon as possible 3)Cut forest, slave, cut forest, slave.. 4)Cities, cities, cities 5)Big stack of HA and kill, or end boring playing at point.
I amnot speacking about these ancient but a new game where you can win by lot of different way.
If you are one of these guys who think that we should have Equal map for all event, well np, i understand, let's the other player have fun in some random and no-controlable event.
I have never been tired to lose a game because my opponent had ressource, not me, or more place, not me, or luck, not me, but i often be tired to win a game after 120 boring turn.
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 7, 2007 7:29:00 GMT -5
Well Ellestar if you dont like random, hard fight, new spirit and fun possibilities in game, please stop FRM and continue these boring ancient. Here i amnot speaking about a boring game where: 1)warrior 2)Worker as soon as possible 3)Cut forest, slave, cut forest, slave.. 4)Cities, cities, cities 5)Big stack of HA and kill, or end boring playing at point. Note that you still didn't list any "new possibilities". Please do. And btw FRM is about the same as you described. Hard fight can happen only when things are about equal. When they're not equal (like 2v1 or resources vs no resources), then it will be an easy domination, not a hard fight. So, a hard fight is very unlikely to happen in an environment that is too random. Conclusion? It's me who likes a hard fights, not you. You like easy domination when luck is on your side. I amnot speacking about these ancient but a new game where you can win by lot of different way. Once again, EXAMPLES please. I can write tons of flood as well, let's hear some specifics this time. You know, if you advertise something, bulls hit alone isn't good enough, you should tell how exactly it's better. If you are one of these guys who think that we should have Equal map for all event, well np, i understand, let's the other player have fun in some random and no-controlable event. Equal map is ok too because it's more fair that way. Since you still have a random map, every other game isn't the same as others. But somewhat equal amount of land, critical resources and number of players per land mass is desirable, even if a map is not equal. I have never been tired to lose a game because my opponent had ressource, not me, or more place, not me, or luck, not me, but i often be tired to win a game after 120 boring turn. Well, maybe i should have believed you IF you removed Great Artists from your mod. But you didn't, and this is the biggest source of stalemate in the game. So... try again after you'll remove Great Artists. So far you failed, sorry ;D
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Post by moineau on Nov 7, 2007 9:54:07 GMT -5
If an ennemy is on same island:
1)Stay at one city, rush galleon with infantery 2)Stay at one city and rush him with infanterie roading him 3)If you have alu you can rush him with cruise 4)Rush paratroopers 5)Stay at one city, grow up fast and draft a mech and rush him with road 6)Rush a bomber and kill the king 7)Land him with cruise in a boat+infanterie 8)Rush nukes? why not 9)Rush Gunship, if you cant kil him, all his land is dead
If an ennemy isnot on same island: 10)Make big developpement and pray to dont be landed 11)Average dev, no batiments etc.., and rush with 3-4 units 12)Rush submarine with cruise, 13)Rush Carrier 14)Spy tactics 15)Rush workers, you make one airbase on ennemy land
etc...
And i forgot many many way of play, Ellestar you have maybe 3 game in your background, i have 1 years of civ3 future in mine.
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Post by charliebrownparker on Nov 7, 2007 10:16:42 GMT -5
Thanks for giving us LKT tactic for coming CCC Could you do the same on ren and medie moineau?
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Post by moineau on Nov 7, 2007 10:20:53 GMT -5
There is again lot of posibilities and if this post can help your team, that's great, we dont want to win it again so easily. For the renaissance: Maybe stop cottages tactics? For the medie: Try to dont plant 2 front city, that can help If you need again some tips, contact me
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Post by axius on Nov 7, 2007 10:50:20 GMT -5
Not if the mod is chosen as a permanent setting for the event. Several clans (LKT, MDR, KC I believe) insisted that Future should just be played as FRM. Others don't really care about the Future era in general and trust their judgement. If people who actually play Future outside of the CCC think that FRM is the way to go - sure why not? Oh rly? And why don't i see you playing FRM in ladder? Maybe it's because you don't play FRM in ladder? Doesn't it mean that this argument is total bulls hit? You are arguing with a wrong person. I don't play FRM (or Future) and proposed that whole era to be dropped in favor of more popular events that are actually played on the ladder. But there is fierce opposition to that idea in CCCAC, including your clan (MUD). And since we have to play Future, I trust the people who play it to pick settings for it. MUD only has 1 representative currently. Perhaps you could deliver your ideas directly to make impact before the next CCC.
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Post by Bantams on Nov 7, 2007 10:54:36 GMT -5
will we now be using FR New version .09 ?
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Post by charliebrownparker on Nov 7, 2007 11:01:58 GMT -5
There is again lot of posibilities and if this post can help your team, that's great, we dont want to win it again so easily. T'aurais pas un peu chopé le melon depuis que tu es admin (je parle en connaisseur )? La seule fois ou tu as gagné un futur c'est avec ton mod à la con ;D
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Post by moineau on Nov 7, 2007 11:06:49 GMT -5
Nop je repond juste a tes remarques a la con avec des réponses a la con. Et je te signale que pour notre premier futur en CCC, moi et stilgar l'avons gagné en mode normal.
Et toi quand est ce que tu redescend?
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Post by Bantams on Nov 7, 2007 11:12:21 GMT -5
Nop je repond juste a tes remarques a la con avec des réponses a la con. Et je te signale que pour notre premier futur en CCC, moi et stilgar l'avons gagné en mode normal. Et toi quand est ce que tu redescend? Hmmm Rough Translation of this is ;D Nop I answers right A your remarks has the idiot with answers has the idiot. And I announce you that for our first future in CCC, me and stilgar l'avons gained in normal mode. And you when you goes down again?
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Post by charliebrownparker on Nov 7, 2007 11:13:14 GMT -5
Oulalala il est pas content le moineau
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Post by moineau on Nov 7, 2007 11:17:30 GMT -5
Lol bants ;D Oui j'en ai peut etre marre de tes reflexions charlie. En tout cas, et sans hypocrisie, je suis content que tu revienne jouer, juste arrete de m'embeter
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Post by 9iron9 on Nov 7, 2007 11:22:05 GMT -5
jai prefere toi mange moi deriere
any chance of cruise missiles being banned for ccc, or just plain removed . shuold only take 2 secs for primark to do ?
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Post by moineau on Nov 7, 2007 11:25:27 GMT -5
Why Iron? Cruise was on civ3, and stay on civ4, one of the new and funniest units we have. It doesnt cost a lot, it's true, but you cant take cities with only cruise. All game i did, cruises wasnt so overpowered than some player say, and they are here to kill the oil dependance.
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