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Post by MookieNJ on Feb 21, 2007 9:39:34 GMT -5
No, this is not correct. Liberalism and wonder ties are decided randomly. The game was awarded to MDR because they hosted. Giving some sort of "priority" to the team that hosts would be a horrible precedent to set. This is not correct. If a tie occurs for a tech or a wonder it goes to the player with the most overflow; hammers for wonders, beakers for tech. The host has no advantage. Ummm, no. The Wonders, Liberalism, Relgion, free GP for tech were all changed to RNG in a patch. The Victory Conditions were never determined by overflow, it's simply the player or team with the lowest team number as set in staging (this was confirmed by the lead developer of Civ4 and can be verified by anyone here with access to the beta forums, I'll even get anyone from there the link because I am sick and tired of this crap).
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Post by longhorn on Feb 21, 2007 11:22:25 GMT -5
FIRST WARNING-
This thread is on thin ice.
1) The RaY Space Race issue is over and done and there is no reason to rehash it now.
2) TD's are/should be reviewed by HTD's not courts of public opinion ( a lot like professional sports referees). I suggest anyone who feels this passionately about the proper ways to run a CCC tournament, contact Levi at your earliest convenience. I am sure he would be happy to give you the link for an application to become one.
3) A lot of these discussions take place in the lobby as one party may be on c4f while another party is not. Without assigning any blame, if the situation does not involve you directly then please stay out of the lobby discussion.
4) There is NO rule that I am aware of that says if a sub fails to appear within 10 minutes exactly that a clan must forfeit a game. Wouldn't they always have the option to continue with an AI? I think the spirit of the rule and good competition would dictate that as long as a clan was doing everything in their power to get a sub in, waiting a few more minutes should be no problem.
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Post by inter on Feb 21, 2007 11:55:02 GMT -5
don't be surprise if a crack in the ice appears under yer feet... ( Pink Floyd, The Wall, UK 1978) I am on the rock and then I check a stock I have to run like a fugitive To save the life I live I'm gonna be Iron like a Lion in Zion I'm gonna be Iron like a Lion in Zion Oh yeah Lion, Iron, Zion, Lion, Zion I'm on the run but I ain't got no gun See they want to be the star So they fighting tribal war And they saying Iron like a Lion in Zion Iron like a Lion in Zion, Iron Lion Zion I'm on the rock, I check a stock I had to run like a fugitive, oh god Just to save the life I live, oh now And still I'm gonna be Iron like a Lion in Zion I'm gonna be Iron like a Lion in Zion What did you say, Iron Lion Zion, I'm on the run But i don't got no gun See, my brothers wanna be stars, So they fighting tribal wars And they saying Iron like a Lion in Zion, Iron like a Lion in Zion Iron, Lion, Zion I'm on a run, got no gun, Iron, Lion, Zion oh please i BEG you don't PUNISH ME MR ADMIN, don't PUT ME IN THE PENALTY BOX, I LL BEHAVE , PLEASE SOMETIMES THROW ME A BONE, I LL BE GOOD DOGG FROM NOW ON
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Post by cankaban on Feb 21, 2007 13:57:32 GMT -5
4) There is NO rule that I am aware of that says if a sub fails to appear within 10 minutes exactly that a clan must forfeit a game. Wouldn't they always have the option to continue with an AI? I think the spirit of the rule and good competition would dictate that as long as a clan was doing everything in their power to get a sub in, waiting a few more minutes should be no problem. did they tried reload?im sure no;)
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Post by zzZhenon on Feb 22, 2007 14:01:32 GMT -5
I just see that some 1 put oil on fire bc she's evil woumans. This is the best part of this thread ;D
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Post by churchill1 on Feb 22, 2007 14:06:02 GMT -5
I think it's kind of funny that the RaY people are acting up on "fair play" given they won a CCC on an arbitrary award of points. If they lost that space race game (as the game in fact registered), they would have lost that CCC two back. After this they gave no credit to the other clan that might have won, accepting a unilateral award of points by a TD they did not earn. In fact, they proceeded to make games with such titles as "Ladder Teamer pw ccc champs." I realize that most of the RaY team is around high school age, but still I expected better. I do however expect that they will appreciate the logical connection. That said, I agree with the RaY folk that I wouldn't DQ a team on a technicality. Just like in that CCC I would have had the decency to propose to my clan to offer to share the title were we the ones to benefit. Wow. Any respect I had for you is forever lost. Alright, there's one thing in NOM's post that he really shouldn't have said, but I know for a fact he's a very decent bloke (and I considered him to be way before he joined GOD). Sorry Mookie you're really showing double standards here. If you applied the same touchiness to some of your own clanmates you'd lose respect for them much more quickly.
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Post by NumberOneMercury on Feb 22, 2007 14:19:00 GMT -5
Yah the high school thing was bad, I apologize. I see it touched a nerve. I just thought it was true when I thought it that most of you are around 17-18. Of course, the remark is still condescending even if true and I apologize.
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Post by Speaker on Feb 22, 2007 17:48:41 GMT -5
Gogf and Knupp are the youngest in RaY at 18 and 19 years old.
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Post by cryptococcus on Feb 22, 2007 18:40:42 GMT -5
Yah the high school thing was bad, I apologize. I see it touched a nerve. I just thought it was true when I thought it that most of you are around 17-18. Of course, the remark is still condescending even if true and I apologize. Yep, you really f**ked up some valid points by saying some dumb nuts
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Post by MookieNJ on Feb 22, 2007 18:47:00 GMT -5
So it's a good point that I, as a member of RaY, can take no position on fair play because the Admins and TDs awarded us a few points for a Victory Condition tie that the game has no mechanism in place to declare a winner other than the team with the lowest number as set in staging?
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Post by zzZhenon on Feb 23, 2007 0:35:49 GMT -5
everyone knows you're a 1337 h4xx0rz, m00k13
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Post by cryptococcus on Feb 23, 2007 3:43:21 GMT -5
So it's a good point that I, as a member of RaY, can take no position on fair play because the Admins and TDs awarded us a few points for a Victory Condition tie that the game has no mechanism in place to declare a winner other than the team with the lowest number as set in staging? Yes, at the time the actual event occured I do believe NOM had some good points. From what I understood (and I'm sure eveyrone will tell me I'm wrong) no one knew how the victory was decided at the time. Regardless, both teams met the same victory condition on the same turn. So either RaY wins because of points or the game is replayed. Instead, MDR said f**k it and moved on about their business. Did it affect ccc? Not imo because we had plenty of opportunities to win. ie. Gogf alone getting a kill. BTW, none of his points were related to fair play imo, it just seems like you were quick to go along with MDR being so passive on the matter. I probablly would of too and justified it in my mind because you were up on points.
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Post by MookieNJ on Feb 23, 2007 10:08:02 GMT -5
At the time, we were quick to allow MDR to go on to the finals because it was already morning in France and we didn't want to force those guys to wait forever while we all argued over what the best solution was. We put our trust into the Admins and TDs to make a fair decision and allowed MDR to move on even though we had roughly 300 more points than they did at the end of the game. Also, being able to build the Spaceship so quickly we probably would have won the event had we forced the issue and gotten into the finals.
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Post by cryptococcus on Feb 23, 2007 11:46:08 GMT -5
nuts, I take my post back I forget MDR moved on. If I was RaY I would of argued that I had more points. I won't comment on the decision by the TD
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Post by churchill1 on Feb 23, 2007 13:55:17 GMT -5
LOL IC they're gonna love you for that ;D
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Post by tommynt on Feb 25, 2007 15:00:02 GMT -5
why not just hug each other?
apart that there s a td doing desicions as a football match ref he may do wrong ones but he ll do the best ones
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Post by cryptococcus on Feb 26, 2007 5:09:52 GMT -5
Or maybe the least painful one.
Wheres ascension at when tommy needs a hug?
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Post by ironclad on Mar 1, 2007 0:03:41 GMT -5
LOL IC they're gonna love you for that ;D speaker deleted my post , at least give a reason. There was nothing bad in the post hehe.
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Post by MMV on Mar 1, 2007 5:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by inter on Mar 2, 2007 17:45:30 GMT -5
hei LOL , all this happened cuz that poor female ANNA79 went crazy in the CCC and WE threw nuts on ourselves to defend her, at least myself and NOW, after she reset the stats again and won luckyly 2 teamers and get in the top20 she spits in the plate she ate for months LOL FAIR PLAY ahahahahaha i think it's really just a word
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