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CCC35
Aug 9, 2006 10:08:22 GMT -5
Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 9, 2006 10:08:22 GMT -5
Dear Friends:
We face a major decision for setting up the next CCC. How much of the event should be Warlords and how much regular/vanilla CIV4?
Please vote and also give your reasoning.
Best, SPM
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CCC35
Aug 9, 2006 10:20:26 GMT -5
Post by Bantams on Aug 9, 2006 10:20:26 GMT -5
seems to be less connection problems with warlords dont know why just seems so
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CCC35
Aug 9, 2006 10:57:38 GMT -5
Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 9, 2006 10:57:38 GMT -5
This is a tough decision, 90% of the ladder has migrated to WL's in the past two weeks. But the 1st patch is not out yet and the graphics optimization bug is preventing large games. Given the connection issues that arrise during the CCC, I think we need to use Civ4, atleast for 90% of the CCC this one last time.
CS
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CCC35
Aug 9, 2006 12:45:41 GMT -5
Post by MookieNJ on Aug 9, 2006 12:45:41 GMT -5
I agree with CS -- CCC needs to be at least 90% Vanilla Civ4 if not 100%. The graphics lag gets so unbearable that if most of the ladder hadn't already migrated to Warlords I would just switch back to Vanilla until the first patch. Imagine playing Future, Modern, Industrial, Renaissance, or even Medieval after 30 or 40 turns? It would be a mess ...
I could see the OCC game working on Warlords, maybe the cton if it's an Ancient start ... but that's about it.
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CCC35
Aug 9, 2006 13:35:14 GMT -5
Post by venceslas on Aug 9, 2006 13:35:14 GMT -5
So why is everyone play Warlord?
civ4 lobby is rather empty, especially by the elite players.
From my experience, there is no problem with medieval or rennaissance teamer ;D
I think people with much more game than me would have a better point on this subject.
chris.
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CCC35
Aug 9, 2006 15:20:12 GMT -5
Post by longhorn on Aug 9, 2006 15:20:12 GMT -5
Definitely 100% Warlords! I have not had any negative issues with warlords yet.
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CCC35
Aug 9, 2006 21:42:51 GMT -5
Post by whitebull on Aug 9, 2006 21:42:51 GMT -5
Warlords cause i couldn't go back now ;D
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 3:57:12 GMT -5
Post by MookieNJ on Aug 10, 2006 3:57:12 GMT -5
Definitely 100% Warlords! I have not had any negative issues with warlords yet. Have you been playing any teamers or advanced era games LH? Even in smaller 3v3 teamers, as soon as you have medium sized armies the game lags like crazy every single turn. It's almost unplayable ... people are putting up with it because they like the changes in Warlords and most everyone is currently in the Warlords lobby. But if I had 10 people together who wanted to play a teamer and it was up to me Vanilla vs. Warlords? I'll choose Vanilla every time until they get around to releasing the patch that fixes this.
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 7:27:42 GMT -5
Post by venceslas on Aug 10, 2006 7:27:42 GMT -5
Well, I have seen 5v5 ren game with big armies and absolutely no lag.
Are you sure that come from warlord? Many people seems do not have problems.
Maybe warlord is little bit heavier, so people with an average connection(but ok for civ4) are in trouble with warlord?
chris.
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 9:54:33 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Aug 10, 2006 9:54:33 GMT -5
Mookie you must be playing with the wrong people, during the day 6v6's are becoming very popular infact i have played in about 5-6 myself.
They are totally lag free if you play with good reliable people, who are known to have good connections.
Sure warlords is a little buggy and maybe i have not had enough exposure to all its issues, but IMO warlords is 20 times more reliable then vanilla civ.
But all this being said, its kinda unfair on those that havnt for warlords. If it's staged on vanilla civ it means everyone can play!
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 12:12:43 GMT -5
Post by knupp on Aug 10, 2006 12:12:43 GMT -5
In my experience big teamers in the later eras are really laggy. 10-15 second lag at the beginning of each turn. Takes forever to activate a unit 50 turns into the game.
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 15:52:06 GMT -5
Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 10, 2006 15:52:06 GMT -5
What's a big teamer? 5v5? What is other people's experience with 3v3 and 4v4?
I am surprised that people are voting almost entirely for the two extremes (all Warlords or all Regular CIV4).
Based on the results so far I would lean towards a little of both Warlords and CIV4 so that the maximum number of people can participate.
Hopefully a patch will make things better, but that hasn't always proved to be the case.
Best, SPM
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 16:30:39 GMT -5
Post by churchill1 on Aug 10, 2006 16:30:39 GMT -5
I really haven't noticed these serious lagging issues in big teamers. I would say there have been less connection issues with WL.
I am only playing WL now and so are most of the ladder and especially clan members. I really wouldn't want to go back to vannilla civ for the CCC, it seems a little counter-intuitive.
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 16:50:43 GMT -5
Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 10, 2006 16:50:43 GMT -5
Yes but I dread the thought of having to rule on the ironman half way threw because it's unplayable.....could be a dogs breakfast But given the popular results we can run with a WL's CCC since most clans do have enough players it seems, but limit the size of the games, and through in a couple civ4 games so that non-WL's clannies can fill in too. CS
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 19:44:56 GMT -5
Post by civerdan on Aug 10, 2006 19:44:56 GMT -5
It does seem a bit counter-intuitive going back to vanilla, especially since we would have to unlearn the stuff we have been practicing for WL for one weekend. Though I would expect most players would remember they are playing vanilla (i.e. they wont attack a stack of axes with chariots).
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CCC35
Aug 10, 2006 21:22:25 GMT -5
Post by nicoya1 on Aug 10, 2006 21:22:25 GMT -5
I seee 80% vanilla and 20 % WL. As time goes on the WL will take over. WL has bugs that are still being discovered.
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CCC35
Aug 11, 2006 8:57:23 GMT -5
Post by holocanthe on Aug 11, 2006 8:57:23 GMT -5
I seee 80% vanilla and 20 % WL. You're sure ? I see the reverse ;D
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CCC35
Aug 11, 2006 9:36:33 GMT -5
Post by Juni on Aug 11, 2006 9:36:33 GMT -5
I think that Dan is right. Mixing vanilla events and Warlords events is confusing. Many players will have to switch between Vanilla and Warlords during the weekend, and may have some bad in-game reflexes, that would lower the quality of the competition.
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CCC35
Aug 11, 2006 11:31:29 GMT -5
Post by nicoya1 on Aug 11, 2006 11:31:29 GMT -5
Actually after rethinking it, it would suck switching between the 2 disc. I know I lost my WL disc for a couple of days because I switched between the 2. Of course I found it but felt stupid for misplacing it , but think i should be mostly WL most clan players are now playing only WL. Don't see very many ppl in vanilla.
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CCC35
Aug 11, 2006 11:34:33 GMT -5
Post by Bantams on Aug 11, 2006 11:34:33 GMT -5
i really think it should be 100% wl shame im on holiday though but we got some good players in kc now so watch your backs mud ;D
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