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Post by SirPartyMan on Jul 4, 2006 14:02:29 GMT -5
Dear Friends:
This is the thread for you to make comments and suggestions for improvement to the CCC.
Best, SPM
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moineau
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Post by moineau on Jul 4, 2006 14:11:21 GMT -5
Too much player needed on friday, why is there a QC? was not in the discussion. If you realy want a QC, maybe move it sunday. Realy thanks for the delete of the 5vs5,3vs3 renaissance will be fun. My god, shuffle for random event , all u want but not that please!! Thanks for CTON and medieval
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Post by Elledge on Jul 4, 2006 15:41:58 GMT -5
R.I.P. 5v5
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Post by eiffel on Jul 4, 2006 15:56:46 GMT -5
And ancient 3v3 on ring back again.
How about you publish what the council has proposed for "transparency" ?
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Post by holocanthe on Jul 4, 2006 16:32:03 GMT -5
Events 1,2,3,4,5 = the night for european so 8-11 players who can't sleep and much will have play saturday afternoon And beetwen event 8 and 9 = 20 hours without new events Where is logic
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jul 4, 2006 17:19:25 GMT -5
Just FYI, the QC Scenario wasn't suggested by the CCC Advisory Council but was mentioned in another Suggestions thread open to the "public". The next time around it might be OCC. The idea is to spotlight an up and coming mod/scenario.
The CCC Advisory Council specificly voted on the Renn 5v5 feasibility - it was close but 5v5 was defeated in deference to 3v3.
The CCC Advisory Council requests which were implemented, include:
- more events requiring fewer people (3v3 max team) - a clan CTON - bring back medieval - all era starts (less ancient) - various map changes - a scenario that needs to be studied
Best, SPM
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jul 4, 2006 17:23:39 GMT -5
Events 1,2,3,4,5 = the night for european so 8-11 players who can't sleep and much will have play saturday afternoon And beetwen event 8 and 9 = 20 hours without new events Where is logic Scheduling CCC Events has always been a matter more of compromise than logic, since so many time zones are involved. If more events were scheduled between events 8 and 9 that's more of a hardship for euro players. The Friday schedule it is said favors North America, but the Sat and Sun starts favor Europe. The CCC Advisory Council didn't really address start times very much this goround, but we will have plenty of time to do this for CCC 35. Best, SPM
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Juni
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Post by Juni on Jul 4, 2006 17:25:02 GMT -5
As a member of this coucnil, I can say that we have never asked for 5 events on friday and early saturday, that we have never asked for an indus TBG or a modern Pangea, that wa have never asked for so many players playing at the same time, that we have never requested the return of the shuffle map on random / random event, that we have never asked for the 3v3 ancient ring again.
Please don't attribute to the council decisions that you have taken by yourself.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jul 4, 2006 17:36:34 GMT -5
There were 70 posts in the CCC Advisory area - I read them all. There were several polls as well. Of course there were many different opinions.
As to number of events - there were previously nine events - the general consensus was to add a few more events. One poster suggested 12 - I settled on 11. There are four events on Friday (but 2 of them involve single players) Four events on Saturday, and three on Sunday.
As another example, some people don't like shuffle map on Random/Random and other posters did. In such a situation, a call must be made. I like the challenge of a totally random game - its quite unique.
The council only voted on four topics per se and I respected the majority opinion in all 4 cases. One, add more events. Two, don't allow non-ladder members into CCC. Three, 5v5 Renaissance game isn't feasible. Four, nukes should be allowed in future.
Best, SPM
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Juni
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Post by Juni on Jul 4, 2006 17:50:27 GMT -5
I don't say that you don't have made changes that we asked for, I say said that you have made changes that we didn't ask for. I have listed some things in my previous post, tell me where you saw them in the council's forum.
You could at least have proposed this planning in the council's forum a few days ago and make us vote. You didn't.
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Post by holocanthe on Jul 4, 2006 17:51:16 GMT -5
If more events were scheduled between events 8 and 9 that's more of a hardship for euro players. The Friday schedule it is said favors North America, but the Sat and Sun starts favor Europe. European plays : friday 9 pm, midnight saturday 1 h 30 am, 5 am, 7 am North America, only event 5 begin the night And sunday it isn't start favor Europe, because the games finish often the monday for us, and we work the monday
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Post by GERMANIA on Jul 4, 2006 18:05:23 GMT -5
Hey SPM, well to be honestly that CCC wont be a good one ! Why ? well because there is no real anc teamer, no really good rene teamer and maybe i am saying it again but non are playing QC, modern ore future accept Krill And a cton....in a CCC Well i would prefer to see a CCC witch all enjoy and that the most of our player plays these days. I haven't seen any those teamers for ages.. If this stay so i will for sure not take part, and i believe that allot will decided that too and enjoy the somer
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niluge
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Post by niluge on Jul 4, 2006 18:06:51 GMT -5
Good evening,
I am surprised by the hourly programming of the events of this CCC. The evenings of Friday and Saturday are very loaded with, notably for the teams in the most reduced workforce.
I am not sure that this method of programming encourages the other clans to participate in the competition...on the contrary, unfortunatly.
May be that a move of event, notably for Sunday, would allow to balance this schedule.
Cordially
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 4, 2006 18:09:12 GMT -5
Juni the threads in the CCC AC were an open discussion, there were few hard argreements between all members with 100% agreement, so SPM made a best approximation of what the best ideas were, and included anything that had near unanimous approval. I'm not sure why you are so unsatified, when I read the schedule I saw many things that were as a result of the CCCAC, but remember it is still a advisory commitee only. I'm sure for the next CCC that SPM can try and post the draft schedule for the CCCAC sooner than for the general public, and that is why this is a learning process for all of us.
CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 4, 2006 18:12:47 GMT -5
Hey SPM, well to be honestly that CCC wont be a good one ! Why ? well because there is no real anc teamer, no really good rene teamer and maybe i am saying it again but non are playing QC, modern ore future accept Krill And a cton....in a CCC Well i would prefer to see a CCC witch all enjoy and that the most of our player plays these days. I haven't seen any those teamers for ages.. If this stay so i will for sure not take part, and i believe that allot will decided that too and enjoy the somer Well germania, your own clan rep took part in the discussions on some of these events, perhaps he didn't represent you well enough, I have no idea. But IMHO, the CCC is not just about playing what is currently the favourite ladder match, but about getting the ladder to play new ideas. I'm sorry if that displeases you, but a healthy ladder plays more than ancients ctons and ren teamers. And the cton event was a specifially asked for event by the CCCAC btw. CS
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moineau
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Post by moineau on Jul 4, 2006 18:29:30 GMT -5
Discover new events, why not, for us the real big problem is friday, too much event at very bad hours for europeans, is not possible to move one event, maybe the QC, Sunday?
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Juni
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Post by Juni on Jul 4, 2006 18:39:43 GMT -5
I have not seen any discussion in this council. I have seen everyone bringing is own ideas without any kind of organisation. It was your job as admins to make this a true debate. You didn't and now you pick the ideas you prefer in the big amount of ideas posted in the forum, and make a program with it. And you don't have to assume your decisions because you were "inspired" by posts from the coucil's forum I was happy when this council was created since I thought it would be a great progress, and would make CCC a "democratic" competition. I know understand that it was only a way to make it more despotic than ever, and I am very disppointed to have taken part in that. That's why I am so unsatisfied CS.
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 4, 2006 18:40:59 GMT -5
I've got one word for you, just one word: ugh. RIP 5v5 Ren Teamer, replaced by 3v3 Inland Standard ... can you say ENORMOUSLY HUGE MAP FOR 6 PLAYERS? Hello buildfest. 3v3 Industrial on TBG -- Top V Bottom or Left V Right? Either way is pretty limiting -- either all ground attacks or all sea attacks with no variety possible. 3v3 Modern with no city razing? We did some tests of this setting prior to last CCC and I'll be the first to say it's pretty boring. You've pretty much got to capture two cities simultaneously because with railroads up it's pretty easy for the guy who lost a city to quickly recapture it. 2v2 Medieval on Inland Small? Again, there is going to be a TON of land for 4 players here, another stupid buildfest where it's impossible to get a kill. 3v3 Ancient on Ring again? Didn't EVERYONE hate this event in last CCC? Why is it back? Yet another stupid buildfest. I'm glad to see Medival and Industrial back, and I'm also happy to see Classical gone as it's a pretty imbalanced era. But that's about it ... overall I'm sorry to say that this event lineup doesn't excite me in the least .
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Post by knupp on Jul 4, 2006 18:48:47 GMT -5
Why not?
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Post by Elledge on Jul 4, 2006 18:51:41 GMT -5
Whoa, the 3v3 is on standard! I kinda dig it then.
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