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Post by Avogadro on Jan 27, 2006 9:59:23 GMT -5
K now back to Mr India.
I like him alot. Yes his strenghts are early, with his rush for religion and early chops but..that is what makes him so dangerous. When you get a quick head-start on the rest that start tends to become more and more amplified and pronounced over the years. Let's say i get my 3rd city by the time you get your second...I got 50% production on you which makes a huge difference over units, building power, growth power, finances (if done properly). This being said should he be banned? Not sure, Sumeria was alwasy the favorite in c3c ironman yet did not always win.
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Post by donaldkipper on Jan 27, 2006 10:10:33 GMT -5
sidhe, u are completley and utterly wrong
it makes TOTAL sense to kill the weakest player to grab his land
then go for the 2nd weakest and if the leader's been sitting on his arse u now got 3 hubs to his 1 or 2
the rules of cton are their for a reason
just because it' s possible to watch scores closely does not mean everyone does and does not mean u can therfore announce what can be inferred by an attentive player
be glad u have been treated so leniently
admins have given far bigger punishements because members of a clan thought about cheating
im absolutely sure they are not biased tho
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 27, 2006 10:25:05 GMT -5
No in this situation it was stupid and what I said changed nothing. That is the point, you weren't there so you can't comment, everyone else would tell you the same.
When the top scorer is threatening to take someone out, 2nd scorer starts building defensive units, not planning to divide his forces, not at that time. And it was not me who announced the attack it was him by going off on one, which as I said happened a while after the scores had shown this anyway, IMO he got pissed when his attack wasn't quite as succesful as he'd hoped then when he got attacked a few turns later he blamed it on me revealing who was being attacked, when that wasn't possible.
I have explained this about a million times. But then I think people tend to be blind when preaching but they're you go.
Whether I did wrong is not at issue, but tactically what he did is pretty foolish. I made my apologies about a million times but they we're ignored. The same thing is has happened here and no one has taken any note of pretty much anything I've said because the same irrelevant points are being raised over and over again.
Like I said a while back if you want the real story go ask the players, I did.
I'm trying to get back to the India topic vainly, but it seems everyone has decided it's time to stick the knife in: et tu brute?
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Post by whiplash on Jan 27, 2006 10:32:41 GMT -5
Sedhi, you complain that I accuse you of rationalization with no proof. You are providing the proof.
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 27, 2006 10:35:04 GMT -5
Inane whiplash, and totaly illogical, If I defend myself I'm guilty, if I don't defend myself I'm guilty.
Look back through the arguments, the players in question have defended me not Game.
I suggest you take your trite observations elsewhere unless your in possesion of the facts. Otherwise your just making yourself look ignorant.
The punishment is warranted, just be sure that there is such a huge crime though in this, because as far as I and the rest of the players in the game were concerned it wasn't much of one. And we were there, you are just speculating.
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Post by eiffel on Jan 27, 2006 10:36:43 GMT -5
Leave gandhi alone ! ;D
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Post by Avogadro on Jan 27, 2006 10:52:58 GMT -5
Cton Rule was breached and judgement was passed.
This is a good discussion which may impact our future CCC ironmans. Please, Please go back to the civ pick discussion so we can gather information on the communities wishes in reguards to civ picks in the ironman. I do not want this to become a thread arguing the events of the last CCC. I do not wish to lock or erase anything. We are here to discuss Mr India and we on the board would like to hear some more of your thoughts on the matter at hand.
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Post by donaldkipper on Jan 27, 2006 10:59:05 GMT -5
personally i would put ghandi and qin the same
if u ban one ban the other if u allow them, let everyone pick whoever they like including 8 players as ghandi if thats what people want
alternatively, invoke a rule where players pick civs for other players, by whatever means desired - suck as weakest rank picks someone elses civ then that player picks a civ for someone else etc
would be nice to move away from best player has the best civ tho
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Post by yilar on Jan 27, 2006 11:39:54 GMT -5
Could be interesting to see how the game would be with 8 gandhi's
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 27, 2006 12:44:10 GMT -5
Interesting? Sure? we could run a separate tournament or whatever. Any host can try such a game.
But if the CCC Ironman became an 8 Ghandi contest it would be B-O-R-I-N-G. I don't intend to allow that option.
We have run the Ironman a few different ways over 25 CCC's. It's been random civs, it's been pickem. The problem with random is that people can get even more screwed - at least with picking you'll see the 8 best civs picked - not four of the best and four of the worst.
Not everyone would pick Ghandi anyway - as the posters here have indicated there are strong arguments for other leaders as well. The belief that India is over-powered has been pretty well dispelled by this poll.
The rule isn't that the best player has the best civ. The rule is the leading clan gets first pick - that's not the same thing. It's a small advantage that is earned by stellar play.
SPM
PS: Before anyone advocates the 8 Ghandi option - why don't you host a tournament/game run that way and see how much fun it is? If you aren't a TD and want to be sent an application - we welcome you to apply by going to our Case's TD web page. We usually try out "novel" ideas that way before we put it into an established event like the CCC.
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Post by yilar on Jan 27, 2006 12:53:39 GMT -5
Well how about random picking order? That way the favorites don't become even bigger favorities?
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 27, 2006 14:46:45 GMT -5
Well I made this point before but anyway; in one of the semis they had choice of civ picks with duplicates allowed, there were some who took India and China and a few that didn't it was a good mix of civs. On the whole the semi worked very well from what I heard, I don't see why this wouldn't happen again? As for giving stellar play an award agreed, but Ghandi is an edge too far IMO, especially if only one player gets it. Do the civ picks thing in the final would be more fun. Semi's best civs go to the clan leaders.
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Post by donaldkipper on Jan 28, 2006 13:30:59 GMT -5
stellar play gets you points
why do u need a second advantage in subsequent events?
make civ picks reverse current score order instead of as it is now
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Post by Avogadro on Jan 28, 2006 15:37:58 GMT -5
I would ask all captains to discuss to their clan members the possibility of becoming more involved by sighing up as a tournament director. It woudl help enrich the league to have more TD's. Also some of you may complain that yrou "voice" is not being heard when it come to bringing changes in rules, events and procedure, well my reply to this is the more you are involved with the league the more likely you are to being heard. The TD's and Admins often correspond, we know each other, we respect each other, we listen to each others opinions. Mature TD's can contribute a lot to the healthy functionning of our league. So I urge you folks to get involved as it will better the experience for all of us. Sincerely GCAvogadro ps-go to www.myleague.comLeft side tourney directors link, click it and on next screen click TD application at the top.
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Post by icbm on Mar 2, 2006 15:03:15 GMT -5
GameTheory is arrogant, sometimes rude and provocative but his absolutely 110% right. Just because he has a seriously flawed sense of human behauviour shouldn't mean that people don't take what hie's saying seriously. Any comment without answering him proper is even more foolish than his behauviour. That's what Mr. Missile thinks today Teh to the topic, of course same leaders should be allowed. I wouldn't pick Gandhi, maybe I'm stupid maybe I'm not. I'd prolly pick alexander.
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Post by xma on Mar 6, 2006 5:40:37 GMT -5
I would say allow duplicates, for the many reasons explained already.
And with chopping being a bit altered, gandhi will lose a bit of his "superbe", so there are few chances of seeing 8-gandhi games, which would be the only drawback to multiple civs.
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Post by tommynt on Mar 6, 2006 7:10:31 GMT -5
wtf allow multiple same leaders for 1 event?
oh well there are better civs as gandhi anyway
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Post by Islonian on Mar 6, 2006 7:50:19 GMT -5
Huh!! Ironman should be random civ and also random map you're supposed to be the elite and able to play anything thrown at you!!
Also semi cton having no tech trading instead of always war.
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Post by tommynt on Mar 6, 2006 8:19:56 GMT -5
just because u can master every map it does not mean that u have to waste 20 hours of time on some screwed map
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Post by icbm on Mar 8, 2006 5:23:41 GMT -5
To make my point clear, I will use an example of two players.
Player A and B. They are very good players and both seek out to solve who's who in CIV. Now, they pick random civs, random map and a random era.
They are looking at a ring map and the era is industrial. The other player has persia, the other elizabeth. Elizabeth has a bit better land than the persian leader and can get to assembly line faster than the other and also get the pentagon faster. Now, the persian player recognizes this he tries to rush but unfortunately the other player is no diot either and has built an army of redcoats waiting to be attacked, redcoats kill off the assault, elizabeth gets infantry and pentagon, also has iron and the persian guy doesn't, he launches an amphibious assault using frigates to cover galleons.
Tell me oh great random admireres, how does one beat elizabeth if the players are about the same level?
Or is CIV ladder about random incidents or skill?
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