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Post by willburn on Mar 6, 2006 8:49:58 GMT -5
Hey guys..nothing like a poor quality video to let the smacktalk begin.. This is TX prepairing for CCC see you guys there.. (unfinished video project):
Edit: removed since file host is no longer available.
(8meg..think default windows media codec.. didnt bother with divx codec etc just smacked together something in 1 hour..)
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Juni
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Post by Juni on Mar 6, 2006 18:15:28 GMT -5
Just one (stupid ? ;D) question about Medieval Start. Is "Tournament Battleground" the same map than "Team Battlground" ?
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Post by eiffel on Mar 6, 2006 21:01:49 GMT -5
Nice movie, will ;D Now you have to win, no other choice... good luck to TX team
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romazi
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Post by romazi on Mar 7, 2006 5:54:48 GMT -5
I am really disappointed whith the new map of the medieval event ( event 8 ). Before, small inland sea allowed a true technical play, and this event was very interesting. Now, this event looks like more as a simple ancient game than a medieval game. You made of one of the events most subtle, a vulgar play of barbarians. Instead of building libraries and making a true scientific race, we must build some axemen, horsemen and catapults during half of the game. I don't see the interest to be six on a small battleground map. Soon, why not a 3v3 Renaissance Era Start on tiny great plains?
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Post by markweston on Mar 7, 2006 9:42:41 GMT -5
About the Civics bugs in 1.52
I think we all only really became aware of just how major the stacking-civics bugs were in later-era games after the last CCC. It's standard practice in ladder games from Renaissance up to ban Universal Suffrage, Free Speech and State Property because of the massively distorting effect they have on the game.
If the new patch doesn't arrive in time, are we going to be banning them too? As fas as I can see SPMs rules don't mention them.
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icbm
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Post by icbm on Mar 7, 2006 22:46:22 GMT -5
It has to come Mark, it has to. Don't even think about that it wouldn't come.
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Post by tommynt on Mar 8, 2006 5:02:33 GMT -5
I d prefer to leave game as it is as another worsefixing as in the last patch - but thats another thread
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Post by islandia on Mar 8, 2006 17:05:27 GMT -5
As a Texas Alumni (BSEE '99) I resent your use of our logo so I will personally make sure that you guys go down in shame!
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Post by SirPartyMan on Mar 9, 2006 9:22:04 GMT -5
Yes, if the patch doesn't arrive and we're down to 36 hours and counting, those civics will be banned. I will post such in the rules.
SPM
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Post by markweston on Mar 9, 2006 12:05:24 GMT -5
Good, thanks for that. One thing though, for further clarification. Presumably there's no reason for those Civics to be unavailable during the Ironman? The bug won't apply there.
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romazi
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Post by romazi on Mar 9, 2006 13:12:07 GMT -5
We can't play futur start without Universal Suffrage to buy units and improvements. Don't you think? Ok for Free Speech and State Property but without universal suffrage i think it isn't possible to play well. And change tactic only one day before will be very hard. Please reconsider that.
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Post by charliebrownparker on Mar 9, 2006 13:45:19 GMT -5
I agree with Romazi. Universal Suffrage is mandatory for Futur start.
Please consider all oppinions before stating on some rules.
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Post by willburn on Mar 9, 2006 13:49:05 GMT -5
Its perfectly doable to play without universal suffrage on future starts. In fact most of those games are over very quick.. Also islandia heh.. well cant be your logo since i draw it myself.. I did have inspiration from somewhere but not a universty logo for sure...
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Post by markweston on Mar 9, 2006 14:15:02 GMT -5
We can't play futur start without Universal Suffrage to buy units and improvements. Don't you think? Ok for Free Speech and State Property but without universal suffrage i think it isn't possible to play well. And change tactic only one day before will be very hard. Please reconsider that. Why is it harder to play well? Obviously early development will be slower, but it effects both teams so no-one loses.
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romazi
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Post by romazi on Mar 9, 2006 14:24:23 GMT -5
Ok willburn and markweston but why to change tactic for only one CCC? After the new patch everybody will use universal suffrage. And 3 hammer instead of 1 per town is not a very significant problem compared to play future without being able to buy!
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niluge
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Post by niluge on Mar 9, 2006 14:45:24 GMT -5
Good morning all,
I want to congratulate the team who organize the CCC. Prevent players 24 hours before the first day of the competition that the rules will be changed...Well, it's a great sign of respect.
Thanks for all.
PS : Next time, try to change the rules five minutes before the start of a event. I'm sure It will be very funny.
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Post by markweston on Mar 9, 2006 15:21:08 GMT -5
Ok willburn and markweston but why to change tactic for only one CCC? After the new patch everybody will use universal suffrage. And 3 hammer instead of 1 per town is not a very significant problem compared to play future without being able to buy! I don't think the majority of players understood the severity of these bugs at the time of the last CCC - very few later-era games were being played at the time. Now we all understand how they work, it seems clear to me that if they aren't banned the late-era events are going to become a competition to see who can exploit the bugs most efficiently. And don't forget that this CCC was clearly intended to be played with the new patch - it was even delayed a week for that very purpose. Now it looks like we're not going to get the patch that fixes these bugs until after the CCC, SPM has had to made some last-minute changes. That's unfortunate, but it's not his fault and it doesn't merit that petulant burst of sarcasm from niluge. 3-prod per town is grossly distorting. It makes the Town by far the best land improvement (unless we're still playing with the bugged State Property too, in which case there is at least competition as to which bugged improvement is best ). Any bug which reduces decision-making that badly is bad for the game IMO. Whereas playing without buying buildings/units just means waiting a few extra turns (or using alternative means like drafting or slavery). A bit of a change if you're not used to it I suppose, but I don't understand why it's so traumatic.
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romazi
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Post by romazi on Mar 9, 2006 16:20:32 GMT -5
dont be worry, This is not " so traumatic " for us. Be sur we'll play with your rules even if we think it's an error.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Mar 9, 2006 16:45:07 GMT -5
Good morning all, I want to congratulate the team who organize the CCC. Prevent players 24 hours before the first day of the competition that the rules will be changed...Well, it's a great sign of respect. Thanks for all. PS : Next time, try to change the rules five minutes before the start of a event. I'm sure It will be very funny. Of course when I wrote the rules up initially I thought (and was told) the patch would probably be out. Sadly, it isn't. The "stacking" bugs with the 3 civics options has been known for weeks, and every renaissance or later era start game that I've played, the players have agreed to ban these 3 civics. It's standard procedure. Exploiting a game bug is often considered cheating. I guess one could argue this game bug is now so well known that each team could exploit it, but what fun and honor goes with a winner who wins just by exploiting a bug better than their opponents. Let's hope the patch is released soon. On the one hand, people are asking for later era starts, but these are the ones most adversely affected by game bugs. This temporary rule should get us through this CCC. And hopefully the patch will be released very soon. Best, SPM
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Post by SirPartyMan on Mar 9, 2006 16:47:12 GMT -5
Good, thanks for that. One thing though, for further clarification. Presumably there's no reason for those Civics to be unavailable during the Ironman? The bug won't apply there. Yes the 3 civics exclusion is for team games only. SPM
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